Dutrow's Big Brown

[mister zesterhouse]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6L-vrpMD8PA

son of boundary weirded off on turf first time out by 12 and wins here big...seems to be lots of contenders

[mister zesterhouse]

http://youtube.com/results?search_query=big+brown+maiden+saratoga&search_type=&search=Search
MAIDENtu? tro( hh)

[Mister Sanderson]

I love his maiden win. Who wins by double digits on grass at two turns in their first start? never seen that

[deltasports]

I love his maiden win. Who wins by double digits on grass at two turns in their first start? never seen that
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I SAW IT & MADE AN OFFER TO BUY HIM RIGHT AFTER PAT REYNOLDS CAME OUT OF THE WINNERS CIRCLE.hh) THAT WAS SEPT 2ND 2007 SARATOGA tu?

[mister zesterhouse]

can he overcome
1)bad trip
2)terrible trip
3)horribel trip
4)afleet alex like stumble
5)to nose out of gate

[Mister Sanderson]

They (Dutrow/Desormeaux) couldn't have had a better setup. A great early spot, and nice clear journey, a quick burst to open up, and throttled down. Although Smarty Jones and Funny Cide won the Preakness by 11 and 9 respectively, both of their jocks hammered down that day and drove them home. Kent and Dick had to be thinking Belmont all the way coming into the race, and this horse won so easily I doubt he was even breathing.

His effortless superiority is astounding. If you old-timers want to claim he's no this or that, that is fine, I won't argue. I haven't seen anything like this horse's athleticism. And I think you throw pedigree out the door with this one; he is an athletic perfection.

No one will be able to argue he hasn't beaten anyone if he beats that horse in the Belmont. I hope he does, its a shame we dont get to see more years of racing from him.


BTW: I like Dave Rodman's call much better than Durkin's call. You can catch it on Youtube. "..and THERE'S Big Brown..." "..Big Brown's in town.."

[Mister Sanderson]

Here's your "he's no ......" horse .... Quotes from some pretty good riders and trainers. -- we'll see if he's no:


from drf today 5/20

Big Brown attracting a crowd
By JAY PRIVMAN

Alysse Jacobs
Big Brown's bid for the Triple Crown could shatter Belmont Park's attendance record.
With a victory on Saturday in the Preakness Stakes to go along with a similar runaway two weeks earlier in the Kentucky Derby, Big Brown now stands just one race away from becoming racing's 12th Triple Crown winner, and the first since Affirmed in 1978. Monday, he left Pimlico Race Course in Baltimore and, a little more than four hours later, arrived at Belmont Park in New York, where on June 7 he will attempt to add the 140th Belmont Stakes to his resume, and thus complete the Triple Crown.

As of Monday, two horses out of the Preakness - Macho Again and Icabad Crane - and three from the Derby - Denis of Cork, Tale of Ekati, and Anak Nakal - were scheduled to face Big Brown in the 1 1/2-mile Belmont, along with Casino Drive, Tomcito, and possibly Behindatthebar, Ready's Echo, and Spark Candle.

Big Brown is unbeaten in five starts, with his lone race in New York state coming in his debut last summer at Saratoga. He has never raced at Belmont - just 20 miles east of Manhattan - and that is one reason why he was sent there Monday, even though his trainer, Richard Dutrow Jr., is based eight miles away at Aqueduct.

"He's going to race there," Dutrow said. "It cuts down on shipping. Those are two of the biggest reasons, but the first is the biggest. He doesn't need to train at Aqueduct when the race is at Belmont. The more things you can take out of the equation, the better."

Big Brown is housed at Belmont in the barn of trainer Bobby Frankel, who is close friends with Dutrow. Dutrow's top assistant and exercise rider, Michelle Nevin, will remain at Belmont with Big Brown.

"Michelle will stay with him," Dutrow said. "And I'll be there whenever he's out of his stall."

Dutrow joked that he worried his friendship with Frankel might be strained by the inevitable crush of media that will follow Big Brown. When Smarty Jones went for the Triple Crown four years ago, a Belmont Park record crowd of 120,139 was announced as the attendance. This year's Belmont could be an even bigger event.

Big Brown has captured the attention of racing fans, who have not seen a horse win the Triple Crown in 30 years. And, in a perverse way, racing itself was high in the public consciousness following the Derby because of both Big Brown's dominating victory and, perhaps more so, the tragic death of the filly Eight Belles. Big Brown might have been overshadowed following the Derby, but he had the spotlight in the Preakness, and he came through with a bravura performance on a day that went off flawlessly at Pimlico.

"This was a good day for racing," Larry Jones, who trained Eight Belles, said Saturday night in the Pimlico stable area. "Everything went off without a hitch. And it looks like we have a superstar."

In addition, interest in this Belmont extends far beyond the United States. In Japan, where racing is a far more popular sport than here, the Belmont is garnering a tremendous amount of attention because of Casino Drive, who won the Peter Pan Stakes at Belmont on May 10 following a debut victory in Japan in February. His dam, Better Than Honour, produced the last two Belmont winners, Jazil and the filly Rags to Riches. A large contingent of Japanese media, and fans, are expected for this Belmont.

Big Brown got a Beyer Speed Figure of 100 in the Preakness, a race that finished exactly as Dutrow and jockey Kent Desormeaux had hoped. They wanted to win, but did not want Big Brown to have a hard, taxing race. Once Big Brown roared past his rivals at the top of the stretch, Desormeaux geared him down, not once having to resort to the whip. He beat runner-up Macho Again by 5 1/4 lengths.

"Kent rode a brilliant race," Dutrow said. "I reminded him, 'We've got to run again in three weeks.' When Kent let him go, he opened up six lengths in five strides."

Sunday morning at Pimlico, Dutrow said Big Brown was "bouncing around the shed row."

"His legs are good and tight," he said. "He ate everything."

"I'm sitting in a good spot right now," Dutrow said. "Every time he's run he's just amazed everyone. My biggest worry this time was just that he break with the field. I didn't want him to get out of there bad. He's never been down inside, with horses to his outside and horses in front of him, but he handled it.

"Anybody can see he's not one-dimensional now. He's got everything you want. I haven't even seen him sweat. The weather's been perfect. He hasn't had to race or train in hot weather. That's kept him fresh. It's like he's not from this world. He's unbelievable."

Big Brown has certainly scared off a number of potential challengers, and left even those who will try him again quite sober about their chances.

"I don't like to be second, but it's not bad to be second to this horse," said jockey Julien Leparoux, who rode Macho Again.

"He's the real deal," said trainer Graham Motion, whose Icabad Crane finished third in the Preakness.

"There's no question he's a tremendous horse," said trainer Nick Zito, whose Stevil was fifth in the Preakness.

"I guess we know that Big Brown is the real deal now," said trainer Reade Baker, whose Kentucky Bear finished sixth after a brutal trip.

"That is one hell of a racehorse," said trainer Rich Schosberg, whose Giant Moon finished eighth.

"It looks like Big Brown might win the Belmont farther than Secretariat," said Paddy Gallagher, the trainer of Yankee Bravo, who finished 10th.

Secretariat won the 1973 Belmont by 31 lengths, ending a 25-year Triple Crown drought, at the time the longest span between Triple Crown winners.

"Big Brown's a monster," said Bill Mott, whose Riley Tucker finished 12th and last in the Preakness.

[deltasports]

SECRETARIAT Had Some Hi Test Gasoline> Big Brown Has Only "HOW" HOW> IS AN OLD TERM FROM THE YESTERYEAR..HAY, OATS, & WATER

THATS ALL THERE IS

[kflickster]

I respect your knowledge of the racing game,but I have to say you are the only person in Print or Media that I have heard say that Secretariat was doped.At this point of time,since it cant ever be proved,save a confession,I like to remember Secretariat as the greatest horse I ever saw run.

[King Nati]

Even IF Big Brown wins the Belmont He could never
get on a step ladder high enough to kiss Secretariat's
A_ _!

[Mister Sanderson]

Secretariat Lifetime Record 21:16-3-1

Hmmnn.. that means he lost 5 times according to 1st grade math. In fact, sir, more than 5 horses beat him in his life in actual load-them-in-the-gate affairs. How many times has Big Brown lost genius? How close has anyone come to beating him? The answer to the 1st question is 0. The answer to the 2nd question is 5 lengths (both of those times Big Brown was geared down). But the Ohh the Glory Days, where aura means more than substance. People have this permanant stamp in their heads that Secretariat was invincible, he lost almost 25% of his career races. I wasn't alive then, and my dad etc.. also swears he was the best horse ever, but a pointless argument like the one directly above me is just bashing thats all. Pure sentimentality.

Big Brown won his maiden at Saratoga over the turf by a freaking dozen lengths right out of the box. Trying to compare different eras of racing is pure speculation. It's like saying Babe Ruth is the best of all time. Statistically he was a freak, but times change, so do athletes. Naysayers and cynics like yourself refuse to accept even the possibility that this is THE ONE. I'm at least open minded about it. Flawless so far.

[Mister Sanderson]

Go Here:

http://www.secretariat.com/past_performance.htm

I Guess BIG BROWN Couldn't Climb A Ladder To Kiss ANGLE LIGHT, PROVE OUT, and ONION's arse either right? Because they all kicked Secretariat's butt within 3 months before and after the Derby. You're argument is getting weaker and weaker..... It's right there for you to see. Is it not possible the he was a truly wonderful horse that was at his very best on the biggest stage (also I might add where his competition, Sham, pulled up lame) and otherwise could be beaten? The myth of him is much more powerful than Secretariat is on paper.

Sorry to burst that bubble, but I'm sure the true homers will always believe he was invincible no matter what evidence shows. Why can't Big Brown be that good? What kind of unbelievable times could he have run in the 1st two legs of the Triple Crown if Desormeaux would have even attempted to push him?

[kflickster]

I like Big Brown also,and I am rooting for him to win the Triple Crown,but I dont believe the competition he is facing is near as good as alot of the past winners.Since you want to cite numbers lets look at Secretariats.He holds the record in the Kentucky Derby,and the Belmont.He also holds the unofficial record in the Preakness.He was also a versatile horse that won his last race on the turf in Canada.The second place horse,Sham,in the Kentucky Derby in 1972 had the 2nd best time in derby history.Secretariat still holds the record in The Man o War,which is a turf race.

[Mister Sanderson]

I like Big Brown also,and I am rooting for him to win the Triple Crown,but I dont believe the competition he is facing is near as good as alot of the past winners.Since you want to cite numbers lets look at Secretariats.He holds the record in the Kentucky Derby,and the Belmont.He also holds the unofficial record in the Preakness.He was also a versatile horse that won his last race on the turf in Canada.The second place horse,Sham,in the Kentucky Derby in 1972 had the 2nd best time in derby history.Secretariat still holds the record in The Man o War,which is a turf race.
True. Big Brown won on turf by a dozen again right out of the box. Since we are in a different era, he was snatched up on in all of his devastating romps and was not ridden out for fast times. Not arguing that Secretariat was a pig, just that he was beaten multiple times.. no one has even forced Big Brown to even try yet. Have you seen any comments on Big Brown's running lines that say ...."weakened, hung, or best of rest?" Secretariat has them

[kflickster]

As far as Big Brown goes,when he runs 21 times in multiple countries and tracks.Sets any track record,I will put him with the best of all time.until then He is definitely the best horse in Triple Crown running this year,and I am going out on a limb saying that when as of today he hasnt won the triple crown.If you remember Smarty Jones won by 11 1/4 lgths I believe and still lost the Belmont.

[danstep43]

smarty jones was used hard as was funny cide to win their Preakness'.......BB hasn't really been used all that much...as far as the comparison to Secretariat....I was 10, not interested in the horses...but remember all 3 triple crown races he won....VIVIDLY.....other than the Derby.....his comp. can be questioned also in the series...and for that matter.....the field for the Belmont was 5 I believe.......other than SHAM who tried...there weren't any players of note...unless you go back to the derby and Forego was in and the field was 12 or 13...so what BB has accomplished thus far is nothing short of remarkable...winning from post 20 and racing wide the entire way was more than enough to get me to jump onboard and I can't wait to see how he responds if he had to run a race and be used for more than we have seen.....

KEEPING FINGERS CROSSED ALSO THAT HE RUNS IN THE TRAVERS...........
as Dutrow has "mentioned" regarding the rest of the year

[Mister Sanderson]

As far as Big Brown goes,when he runs 21 times in multiple countries and tracks.Sets any track record,I will put him with the best of all time.until then He is definitely the best horse in Triple Crown running this year,and I am going out on a limb saying that when as of today he hasnt won the triple crown.If you remember Smarty Jones won by 11 1/4 lgths I believe and still lost the Belmont.
So did Funny Cide. The point being is that disregarding him as a possible All-Time Great now is nonsensical. And that even the All-Time Great got his butt handed to him several times, and no one has even run on the same track with BB yet. Track records are great and all, but wins are too.

BY THE WAY: SECRETARIAT WENT 154:2 IN THE PREAKNESS, BIG BROWN WENT 154:4 (If you want to go by times) ... How fast do you think Big Brown could've went huh?? He was only even ridden for a 1/16 of a mile in that race. He was locked up on mid-stretch and Desormeaux walked home with him.. He could have run a second and a half faster.. If he did, the track record was his, and all of a sudden he's the greatest. Times: lol.

[kflickster]

Like I said,Im rooting for Big Brown,But lets give all the past Triple Crown horses their due.They earned our respect whether we remember them or not.I also was 15 in 72 and really didnt care much about horse racing,but I do remember the excitement everybody had for a triple crown winner.

[kflickster]

You know Im not going to argue this point any longer,but I will address post about Secretariats Preakness time.The official clock was found to be defective and the 154.2 time is still hotly contested today.The DRF clocked the race at 153 and change............

[scottsdad]

It Is Very Difficult To Compare Horses From Different Eras.they Did Not Run Against The Same Competition Or Even On The Same Racing Surface.big Red Is One Of My Favorites And Defi Nitely Has To Be Considered One Of The All Time Greats.having Said That-----anybody Who Thinks That Big Brown Is Not A Monster Or A Freak Is Out Of Their Mind--period.after He Trounces The Belmont He Also Will Be Right Up Their With The Greats Of Our Time And Previous Triple Crown Winners.the Sad Part Is That He Will Never Race Past 3 Yrs Old So We Will Not Get To Enjoy Him Or See Him Run A Full Body Of Work On The Racetrack.i Cant Stop Banging My Head Against The Wall When Anyone Says He Is Not A Great Horse.are Their Only A Few Of Us Who Have Seen His Races So Far?

[danstep43]

it is human nature in this day and age to accentuate the negative and not the positive....BB has done NOTHING WRONG EVER for people to even try to discredit what he has done....I only tried to beat him in the derby because of his post and now for that I have the nickname "COLONEL"!!! LOL

thanks VIC

[kflickster]

I know I want to see BB win the triple crown as I have said before.I also was trying to make a point that we have to respect the past champions as well as current ones.There is not a triple crown horse that doesnt deserve all the respect.My initial point was I dont like saying anything about a horse or person from the past that cant be substantiated.Ex. Secretariat was doped.

[FastG45]

HOW> IS AN OLD TERM FROM THE YESTERYEAR..HAY, OATS, & WATER

HAY, OATS, & WATER and Winstrol, whatever that is. (steroid)

[vicmac]

it is human nature in this day and age to accentuate the negative and not the positive....BB has done NOTHING WRONG EVER for people to even try to discredit what he has done....I only tried to beat him in the derby because of his post and now for that I have the nickname "COLONEL"!!! LOL

thanks VIC
ur welcome colonel.....
best horses in my era that ive seen run
big brown
skip away
silver charm
cigar
and remember old men with the checkered slacks with the white shoes.............all things are possible threw big bad brown....tu?

[vicmac]

It Is Very Difficult To Compare Horses From Different Eras.they Did Not Run Against The Same Competition Or Even On The Same Racing Surface.big Red Is One Of My Favorites And Defi Nitely Has To Be Considered One Of The All Time Greats.having Said That-----anybody Who Thinks That Big Brown Is Not A Monster Or A Freak Is Out Of Their Mind--period.after He Trounces The Belmont He Also Will Be Right Up Their With The Greats Of Our Time And Previous Triple Crown Winners.the Sad Part Is That He Will Never Race Past 3 Yrs Old So We Will Not Get To Enjoy Him Or See Him Run A Full Body Of Work On The Racetrack.i Cant Stop Banging My Head Against The Wall When Anyone Says He Is Not A Great Horse.are Their Only A Few Of Us Who Have Seen His Races So Far?
after he wins the triple crown and is on the cover of every magazines in the world, i will be happy if he retires undefeated and is banging every mare out there...........tu? bf.

[Mister Sanderson]

The best horses I've seen in my life are Louis Quatorze (was beginning to dominate completely as an older horse) Candy Ride (sensational talent, whipped Medaglio D'Oro like he was a claimer) Cigar Invasor (outrageous machine) Serena's Song Galileo ......... the list goes on and on... The best 3yo I ever saw was Smarty Jones (now BB)...... oh yeah Dubai Millineum was a killer too

[mister zesterhouse]

The best horses I've seen in my life are Louis Quatorze (was beginning to dominate completely as an older horse) Candy Ride (sensational talent, whipped Medaglio D'Oro like he was a claimer) Cigar Invasor (outrageous machine) Serena's Song Galileo ......... the list goes on and on... The best 3yo I ever saw was Smarty Jones (now BB)...... oh yeah Dubai Millineum was a killer too

Deep Impact Almutawakel Distorted Humor Bernardini Mizzen Mast Kelly Kip Elusive Quality Mayor Steve Hallowed Dreams Street Sense Buck's Boy

[mister zesterhouse]

Secretariat? Wow. Hmmn. He has to prove it on the track...hopefully, he'll come back in the fall after the romp off in the Belmont. He wins big there then plots a course for Curlin in the JCGC(?) then BC @ Oak Tree on pollee.

[vicmac]

best late kicking heart attack horse Ive have ever seen hands down precocity...hh)

[Mister Sanderson]

Deep Impact Almutawakel Distorted Humor Bernardini Mizzen Mast Kelly Kip Elusive Quality Mayor Steve Hallowed Dreams Street Sense Buck's Boy
forgot about the best Deep Impact.

[mister zesterhouse]

Don :D :o

[Mister Sanderson]

Don :D :o
ridden by Fred P. "Wolverine" Chaney

[mister zesterhouse]

check out crist's blog. he has last 17 TC Beyers. BB came out w/a 100. a 100!
http://cristblog.drf.com/crist/2008/05/triple-crown-fi.html#comments

in one of beyer's books he says marks, geeks, idiots and neophytes invariably
get overly juiced from a romp-off and gear-down--that it's just for show.

[King Nati]

For those out there who think Big Brown is a lock to wear the Crown, how quickly we forget.
It was just four years ago that Smarty Jones, who was also undefeated and every bit as impressive as Big Brown on paper and visually, went to Belmont with the whole racing world conceding the Triple Crown. For the sake of comparison, here are some quotes from then and now:
_______________________________________________
"That horse is as good as any horse I’ve ever seen, and I’ve seen some good ones and I’ve been on some good ones." -Gary Stevens on Smarty Jones
"I’ve seen the great ones who were not in my era on tape, and I rode horses that I considered great ones, but I’ve never seen anything like this." -Gary Stevens on Big Brown
_______________________________________________
"He can start from behind the gate and still win." -Bob Baffert on Smarty Jones in the Belmont
"I've never seen anything like him since I've been training. Everyone's been waiting for the next Secretariat-type horse, and we got him. He's going to do it." -Bob Baffert on Big Brown
_______________________________________________
"I can see him blowing the field away."' -Steve Cauthen on Smarty in the Belmont.
"I can’t really see anybody beating him." -Bobby Frankel on Smarty in the Belmont.
"He can possibly do a Secretariat job on them. I don’t see anyone coming close to that horse." -Bud Delp on Smarty in the Belmont.
_______________________________________________
"[Big Brown] is the best horse I've ever ridden." -Kent Desormeaux in 2008
"He took off like the best horse I've been involved with." -Kent Desormeaux on Fusaichi Pegasus
_______________________________________________
So what I'm saying here is this is nothing we haven't seen before. We saw it just four years ago. In fact, I think the hype was even bigger for Smarty Jones, and he was considered even more of a lock because there wasn't a horse out there who anyone thought could challenge him.
Big Brown might well prove to be a superhorse. He might win the Belmont by 20 lengths. I'll be rooting for it as hard or harder than anyone else. But, as always, I'll believe it when I see it. Strange things happen at the Belmont. Ask Bud Delp. If "The Bid" can be beaten, and if Smarty Jones can be beaten, so can Big Brown.

[vicmac]

“Our plan is the Belmont, Travers, and Breeders’ Cup,” Dutrow said. “We are going to show up if our horse is good and ready. I don’t know what they (Curlin’s connections) are going to do. I would like to see them run together, it would be good for racing and good for us; it won’t be so good for them.”
hahahahahahabf.

[danstep43]

hey NATI.....I gave BIRDSTONE A HUGE chance to beat Smarty and he did..........

there really isn't a horse with BIRDSTONES breeding other than Casino Drive.....the prob. is Casino Drive will be making only his 3rd start and they are asking WAY TOO MUCH of him to beat Big B at 1.5 miles

anybody hear what happened to the COLONEL??????

[scottsdad]

Colonel John Is Playing In Some Kiddie Poly Sandbox With All The Other Poly Losers.

[danstep43]

wonder when the next big POLY race is???? LMAO

[King Nati]

The best horses I've seen in my life are Louis Quatorze (was beginning to dominate completely as an older horse) Candy Ride (sensational talent, whipped Medaglio D'Oro like he was a claimer) Cigar Invasor (outrageous machine) Serena's Song Galileo ......... the list goes on and on... The best 3yo I ever saw was Smarty Jones (now BB)...... oh yeah Dubai Millineum was a killer too
CANDY RIDE rofl
Medaglio D'Oro earned 5 mill more than Candy Ride in there career.Yeah I know undefeated ,Jenny Craig paid 4 mill. for the horse just for that race.bf.
Candy Ride stands for $12,500
Medaglia D'Oro $40,000

[King Nati]

I'm not a Big Brown hater!gah;
I would love a TC.Racing needs a TC.

[vicmac]

hey NATI.....I gave BIRDSTONE A HUGE chance to beat Smarty and he did..........

there really isn't a horse with BIRDSTONES breeding other than Casino Drive.....the prob. is Casino Drive will be making only his 3rd start and they are asking WAY TOO MUCH of him to beat Big B at 1.5 miles

anybody hear what happened to the COLONEL??????
colonel and tomcito are in a tongue lock as we speak....rofl

[danstep43]

hey don't lumpo the colonel into TOMCITO status.......Tomcito is gonna run in the Belmont possibly......had a displaced palate supposedly in most recent event....maybe he ate some of Lucia's meatloaf at the party??????

[vicmac]

hey don't lumpo the colonel into TOMCITO status.......Tomcito is gonna run in the Belmont possibly......had a displaced palate supposedly in most recent event....maybe he ate some of Lucia's meatloaf at the party??????
hahahaha hey we dog that horse out watch him get 2nd as a 80-1?????????????? u never know....haft to play him under bb just because of the a ss wooping he takes in here...bf.

[danstep43]

that would be funny....he got his "tightener" at Scotts B-day party and I heard there were more kids there than originally planned...Steven had to run out to get more "goodie bags" and Tomicto ended up staying later than expected so he got a good workout in prep. for the Belmont.....however....not sure how it will play out with the Meatloaf

[scottsdad]

THE LITTLE KIDS BEAT HIM AROUND THE BLOCK IN A RACE--HE GOT A SUCK UP 4TH--ONLY KID HE BEAT WAS THE PUDGY NEIGHBORS KIDrofl

[Mister Sanderson]

CANDY RIDE rofl
Medaglio D'Oro earned 5 mill more than Candy Ride in there career.Yeah I know undefeated ,Jenny Craig paid 4 mill. for the horse just for that race.bf.
Candy Ride stands for $12,500
Medaglia D'Oro $40,000
Oh I get it. So stud fee means one horse was better than the other, right? You have no point. If when you were trying so hard to prove Medag's was better than Candy Ride, you might've noticed all but 3 of Candy Ride's races were on another continent where they race for a sack lunch. Candy Ride was much better than Medaglio D'Oro, he proved it on the track. So you can take your rofl and your lack of knowledge somewhere else.

[Mister Sanderson]

Oh I get it. So stud fee means one horse was better than the other, right? You have no point. If when you were trying so hard to prove Medag's was better than Candy Ride, you might've noticed all but 3 of Candy Ride's races were on another continent where they race for a sack lunch. Candy Ride was much better than Medaglio D'Oro, he proved it on the track. So you can take your rofl and your lack of knowledge somewhere else.
Here you go funny guy. QUOTE THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s0WSoKhlHA

Like Scottsdad said, races arent run on a laptop.
I love guys like you. He whipped Medag's like I just whipped you.

[King Nati]

Medaglio D'Oro won Grade 1 at 3 4 & 5.
Candy Ride won 1 it's Last race.
123 beyer one time.Thats it's claim to fame.
I don't know what Your in it for?bf.
But $12,500 x 3 isn't $40,000
You don't have to be a camel to know
You have to hump it alot more for this. $) $) $) $)
You only know of Candy Ride because Jenny Craig had
to win that race.She paid 4 mill. to win 600k.
You can have SFB and still add.do;

[King Nati]

Hey, I was so involved in Mr. Sanderson's Knowledge
of 1 race.That i dozed off and dreamt the Belmont.
Casino Drive put up a monster 1/2 mile and as
Big Brown blew by Him at such a great force it blew Kent off BB and the draft sucked Tomicto in and all the horses had to avoid the spill.And that let Tomicto Win.hahaharofl

[mister zesterhouse]

You only know of Candy Ride because Jenny Craig had
to win that race.She paid 4 mill. to win 600k.
[/QUOTE]


King,

Are you willing to testify under oath that you have evidence Santa Anita is a fraud? You're saying we actually do live in the Matrix. That's some kind of big conspiracy.

[King Nati]

NO SIR.I'm saying The diet guru lives near there,paid that much for the horse.She wanted to win that race at any cost.Her investment in the horse was as sound as the horse. rofl

[King Nati]

Mr. Sanderson My last on Candy Ride.
That was CR last ride it was so sound
that Oro took everything out of it.
Oro
EARNED ALMOST 6 MILLION
1ST OR 2ND IN 15 OF 17 STARTS
3 GRADE 1 VICTORIES
4 GRADE 2 VICTORIES
2ND IN THE BELMONT
FINISHED 2ND TWICE IN THE BC CLASSIC
WON THE TRAVERS/WHITNEY/DONN
2nd in WiseMen land.(Dubai)
And I haven't brought up the step ladder.hr,
So jump Your Candy Axx on Candy Ride and go back to Candyland.:p

[scottsdad]

Mr. Sanderson My last on Candy Ride.
That was CR last ride it was so sound
that Oro took everything out of it.
Oro
EARNED ALMOST 6 MILLION
1ST OR 2ND IN 15 OF 17 STARTS
3 GRADE 1 VICTORIES
4 GRADE 2 VICTORIES
2ND IN THE BELMONT
FINISHED 2ND TWICE IN THE BC CLASSIC
WON THE TRAVERS/WHITNEY/DONN
2nd in WiseMen land.(Dubai)
And I haven't brought up the step ladder.hr,
So jump Your Candy Axx on Candy Ride and go back to Candyland.:p

SOUNDS LIKE A PRETTY STELLAR CAREERtu?

[mister zesterhouse]

thankthalord i thought you might be one of those tinfoil-hat wearers. Candy Ride totally dominated Medag in their only race. CR was always injury-prone too. 123 Beyer Medag never ran. CR was better; Medags earned more by racing more.

[danstep43]

fortunately, none of our "fleet" over in dubai ever had to face d'oro

[scottsdad]

thankthalord i thought you might be one of those tinfoil-hat wearers. Candy Ride totally dominated Medag in their only race. CR was always injury-prone too. 123 Beyer Medag never ran. CR was better; Medags earned more by racing more.

MISTER Z--DO YOU THINK CANDY RIDE WAS A BETTER HORSE BASED ON A 123 BEYER AND BEATING ORO ONCE HEAD TO HEAD? I THINK YOU HAVE TO JUDGE A HORSE OVER A FULL CAREER, NOT ONE RACE.ORO WAS AS STEADY AS THEY COME AND A FAR SUPERIOR HORSE THAN CANDY RIDE OVERALL. SARAVA BEAT WAR EMBLEM HEAD TO HEAD--GET THE IDEA?

[danstep43]

I beat my daughter the other night in a 45 about yard dash......won't ever happen again....

Mags Ordonez did have the much better career than CR....head to head in one race is not enough for me...no matter how good it was

[King Nati]

thankthalord i thought you might be one of those tinfoil-hat wearers. Candy Ride totally dominated Medag in their only race. CR was always injury-prone too. 123 Beyer Medag never ran. CR was better; Medags earned more by racing more.
Mister Z ,I'm sorry. I'm a little "slow".
I have no knowledge, I'm a rock.
Candy Ride beat Oro by 4 1/2 lengths.
Candy Ride's only Grade 1 race.
CR was better in 1 race.
123 Beyer NTR sweet.Thats Your only legit claim to fame for this horse.
Oro earned more by racing more.a: Bravo!"good one"
CR raced 3 races in Argentina
and won but only earned $30k."Lunch Money"
3 races in the usa a alw,g2 and G1.
CR raced less because it was'nt sound.

ds: The better horse has more hay. ds:
CR $750k LTE
$1,785,000 stud fees

Oro $5,754,000 LTE
$4,320,000 stud fees

[deltasports]

IN MY OPINION ONLY>>YOU SEE I SPELLED IT OUT...I THINK CANDY RIDE WAS THE BETTER HORSE...I HAVE MY REASONS AS TO WHAT I KNOW.tu? tro(

[mister zesterhouse]

IN MY OPINION ONLY>>YOU SEE I SPELLED IT OUT...I THINK CANDY RIDE WAS THE BETTER HORSE...I HAVE MY REASONS AS TO WHAT I KNOW.tu? tro(

good point here delta, you have it right with *in my opinion*. what's your definition of better? who gives a ****? Candy Ride was probably the best dirt horse I've ever seen--in the game since 96 so you can take that for what it's worth? Capiche :mad:

[mister zesterhouse]

can we redirect back to this year's tc winner. draw-off? fully extended by Casino Drive wins by a length and a half. loses @ 1-5? is the pick 6 a pick 5?
how chalky was it the year Birdstone beat Smarty for something like a 50 grand
pick 6 remember that one Stigg? df caught a belmont ticket playing his numbers
on a $2 ticket the year locust-baby jesus beat aptitude and impeachment. bh)

[scottsdad]

good point here delta, you have it right with *in my opinion*. what's your definition of better? who gives a ****? Candy Ride was probably the best dirt horse I've ever seen--in the game since 96 so you can take that for what it's worth? Capiche :mad:

MISTER Z--THE WISE MEN CAN GIVE YOU A PHONE NUMBER TO CALL FOR HELP.JUST SLOWLY PUT THE PIPE DOWN AND TAKE A DEEP BREATH.NOT ONLY IS CANDY RIDE-NOT-THE BEST HORSE TO COME OUT OF ARGENTINA,BUT NOT EVEN THE BEST HORSE TO BE SIRED BY CANDY STRIPES.EVER HEAR OF INVASOR?
CANDY RIDE WAS A NICE HORSE--TO SAY ITS THE BEST DIRT HORSE YOU HAVE EVER SEEN SINCE 96,
YOU GOTTA GET OUT OF THE HOUSE MORE.

[mister zesterhouse]

MISTER Z--THE WISE MEN CAN GIVE YOU A PHONE NUMBER TO CALL FOR HELP.JUST SLOWLY PUT THE PIPE DOWN AND TAKE A DEEP BREATH.NOT ONLY IS CANDY RIDE-NOT-THE BEST HORSE TO COME OUT OF ARGENTINA,BUT NOT EVEN THE BEST HORSE TO BE SIRED BY CANDY STRIPES.EVER HEAR OF INVASOR?
CANDY RIDE WAS A NICE HORSE--TO SAY ITS THE BEST DIRT HORSE YOU HAVE EVER SEEN SINCE 96,
YOU GOTTA GET OUT OF THE HOUSE MORE.

Why leave the house when you have TVG? What are you a dope? Come on man. I thought you were a big fan of Medag--Candy Ride roasted him fair and square. I respect Medag's class myself--one of the reasons I'm high on this horse not horse.

[mister zesterhouse]

I see who you are against now tell me who you are for.

[mister zesterhouse]

Tell me whose better.

[scottsdad]

I Do Think That Oro Was A Better Horse,but That Is Just My Opinion.i Wouldnt Say It Was An Open And Shut Case,but To Make A Statement Like You Did Was Crazy.were You Just Saying That Shooting From The Hip? If So--you Get A Pass,if Not--you Are Just Misinformed.

[mister zesterhouse]

I Do Think That Oro Was A Better Horse,but That Is Just My Opinion.i Wouldnt Say It Was An Open And Shut Case,but To Make A Statement Like You Did Was Crazy.were You Just Saying That Shooting From The Hip? If So--you Get A Pass,if Not--you Are Just Misinformed.


Cigar. Gentleman. Skip Away. Awesome Again. Ghostzapper. Big Brown.

[mister zesterhouse]

I Do Think That Oro Was A Better Horse,but That Is Just My Opinion.i Wouldnt Say It Was An Open And Shut Case,but To Make A Statement Like You Did Was Crazy.were You Just Saying That Shooting From The Hip? If So--you Get A Pass,if Not--you Are Just Misinformed.

again w/the opinion as fact. i like The Smiths better than Duran Duran you like Duran Duran better than The Smiths.

[danstep43]

every horse you listed was better than Candy Ride...didn't you previously say that CR was the best dirt horse you have seen???

[scottsdad]

You Stated That Candy Ride Was The Best Dirt Horse You Have Ever Seen Since 96---do You Stand By That Statement?

[scottsdad]

again w/the opinion as fact. i like The Smiths better than Duran Duran you like Duran Duran better than The Smiths.

ORO AND CANDY RIDE IS AN OPINION
CANDY RIDE AND INVASOR IS A FACT
DONT YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE?

[mister zesterhouse]

ORO AND CANDY RIDE IS AN OPINION
CANDY RIDE AND INVASOR IS A FACT
DONT YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE?

Candy Ride had a higher cruising speed than Invasor. Invasor very good and would be favored by most every typical handicapper. I'd take Candy Ride to wire him in a match race and on any speed favoring track: SA, GP, CD especially on days like the BC day Invasor outfinished Bernardini.

[scottsdad]

I Strongly Disagree--we Can Leave It At That.

[King Nati]

Yeah I liked that list better.Candy Ride's career ended early, that was sad because He could've went to the BC that year for a 800k sup fee and meet Pleasently Perfect (HE kicked Oro's axx) and Oro.But He could'nt, thats the reason I have calling Him Great when He wasn't sound.

[King Nati]

Casino Drive might get the first 1/2 mile.I don't think He has enough.I like Tale of Ekati in My exotics.

[Mister Sanderson]

ORO AND CANDY RIDE IS AN OPINION
CANDY RIDE AND INVASOR IS A FACT
DONT YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE?
I think Candy Ride was definitely on the caliber of Invasor, whom I also respect very much. I believe Candy Ride was a better athlete and Invasor had an endless motor. It would be a good race IMO.

Also, just because a horse loses soundness doesn't mean they werent great. All you had to do was see the Pacific Classic to know what kind of a great creature he was. Medaglio D'Oro on an uncontested lead was no match for Candy Ride. Bernardini was right up there too, Invasor of course edging him in The BC.

[scottsdad]

Mister S.--i Dont Think Candy Ride Was On The Same Planet As Invasor. Invasor Won 6 Grade 1 Races. Besides--invasors Win In The Dubai World Cup Was On Ly 4/5th Of A Second Off Candy Rides 1.59.11 In The Pacific. The Pacific Was A Lightning Fast Track That Day Compared To Dubai And Invasor Faced Much Better Competition--imo.

[Mister Sanderson]

Mister S.--i Dont Think Candy Ride Was On The Same Planet As Invasor. Invasor Won 6 Grade 1 Races. Besides--invasors Win In The Dubai World Cup Was On Ly 4/5th Of A Second Off Candy Rides 1.59.11 In The Pacific. The Pacific Was A Lightning Fast Track That Day Compared To Dubai And Invasor Faced Much Better Competition--imo.
All of the above are true. I still think Candy Ride was that kind of a horse though. Invasor did prove more, but Candy Ride was brilliant, that was such an expolosive win in the Pacific. He passed a top quality horse who hadnt been used without breaking a sweat, running away.

IMO I honestly believe Candy Ride was just a good if not better than Invasor. I think he could've beaten Premium Tap, Discreet Cat, Bernardini etc.. the same horses that Invasor beat. Never know.

[Mister Sanderson]

The funny thing about all this Candy Ride vs. Medaglio D'Oro stuff is there are actually those that Think Medaglio D'Oro is better being that he was completely outclassed when they raced together.

Taking the other side I guess that means every 200 start, lifetime penn national claimer who has accumulated $550 G's is better than Candy Ride. Give me a few moments, and I'll find a New Jersey Bred squirrel who was better than Candy Ride. Oh, here is one, Who's the Cowboy in today over $500 G's... here's another Joey P. $500 G's, here's one at Arlington Fort Prado over $1 Million. Heck, I guess Candy Ride couldn't sniff their posteriors in the scheme of things.

Oh yeah, his stud fee is less. I guess that makes Storm Cat a better horse than Secretariat was.

[vicmac]

candy ride sucks!!!!!!!bf.

[Mister Sanderson]

cady ride sucks!!!!!!!bf.
hey vic, Who is "CADY RIDE"?... Geez bf.

[scottsdad]

hey vic, Who is "CADY RIDE"?... Geez bf.

CADY RIDE WAS CANDY RIDES HALF BROTHER---UNRACED AFTER A FREAK ACCIDENT TRAINING IN INSTANBULbh)

[vicmac]

CADY RIDE WAS CANDY RIDES HALF BROTHER---UNRACED AFTER A FREAK ACCIDENT TRAINING IN INSTANBULbh)
hahahahaha my favorite horse of all time was precocity....he made over 1.8 millon ran against all the greats in his time real quiet, free house, awesome again,silver charm..ext...john franks owned him and ran that horse into the ground...but i dont go around saying would of could of, he had his moments won the oak lawn handicap, new Orleans handicap...ext....but i know one thing he was great in my mind....and he stands stud in new mexico for 4 gees....bf.

[vicmac]

hey vic, Who is "CADY RIDE"?... Geez bf.
i gave a chick a candy ride beforebf.

[vicmac]

CADY RIDE WAS CANDY RIDES HALF BROTHER---UNRACED AFTER A FREAK ACCIDENT TRAINING IN INSTANBULbh)
hahahahahahabc(

[vicmac]

hahahahaha my favorite horse of all time was precocity....he made over 1.8 millon ran against all the greats in his time real quiet, free house, awesome again,silver charm..ext...john franks owned him and ran that horse into the ground...but i dont go around saying would of could of, he had his moments won the oak lawn handicap, new Orleans handicap...ext....but i know one thing he was great in my mind....and he stands stud in new mexico for 4 gees....bf.
hell i remember one year i think 1998 precocity was running in a stakes race every month......for the whole year????????:eek:

[scottsdad]

i gave a chick a candy ride beforebf.
TOP NOTCH LINE VIC--THE COLONEL WOULD BE PROUD OF YOU.a:

[deltasports]

hell i remember one year i think 1998 precocity was running in a stakes race every month......for the whole year????????:eek:
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WHO WAS HIS TRAINER??????

[mister zesterhouse]

check out crist's blog. he has last 17 TC Beyers. BB came out w/a 100. a 100!
http://cristblog.drf.com/crist/2008/05/triple-crown-fi.html#comments

in one of beyer's books he says marks, geeks, idiots and neophytes invariably
get overly juiced from a romp-off and gear-down--that it's just for show.


Giacomo got a 100 for his hog home in the Derby. A 100! on a gear down!
ridiculous! tu?

[Mister Sanderson]

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WHO WAS HIS TRAINER??????
i remember the horse .. i think he may have been a franks/barnett horse, but im not sure

[King Nati]

hahahahaha my favorite horse of all time was precocity....he made over 1.8 millon ran against all the greats in his time real quiet, free house, awesome again,silver charm..ext...john franks owned him and ran that horse into the ground...but i dont go around saying would of could of, he had his moments won the oak lawn handicap, new Orleans handicap...ext....but i know one thing he was great in my mind....and he stands stud in new mexico for 4 gees....bf.
Awesome Career.1.8 million in Grade 1 Company.
Key words ran against ALL the greats.
No tucking, No could have. DONE.
I only brought up stud fees because it was 1 on 1 comparison.Hades Real Quiet doesn't get much more and that.Go figure breeding and sales, but what do We know were handicappers.
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[vicmac]

i remember the horse .. i think he may have been a franks/barnett horse, but im not sure
yep u got it bobby barnett

[vicmac]

Awesome Career.1.8 million in Grade 1 Company.
Key words ran against ALL the greats.
No tucking, No could have. DONE.
I only brought up stud fees because it was 1 on 1 comparison.Hades Real Quiet doesn't get much more and that.Go figure breeding and sales, but what do We know were handicappers.
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heres the link


http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-register/sr_sire_page.asp?refno=1444518&origin=singlesearch

[Mister Sanderson]

They (Dutrow/Desormeaux) couldn't have had a better setup. A great early spot, and nice clear journey, a quick burst to open up, and throttled down. Although Smarty Jones and Funny Cide won the Preakness by 11 and 9 respectively, both of their jocks hammered down that day and drove them home. Kent and Dick had to be thinking Belmont all the way coming into the race, and this horse won so easily I doubt he was even breathing.

His effortless superiority is astounding. If you old-timers want to claim he's no this or that, that is fine, I won't argue. I haven't seen anything like this horse's athleticism. And I think you throw pedigree out the door with this one; he is an athletic perfection.

No one will be able to argue he hasn't beaten anyone if he beats that horse in the Belmont. I hope he does, its a shame we dont get to see more years of racing from him.


BTW: I like Dave Rodman's call much better than Durkin's call. You can catch it on Youtube. "..and THERE'S Big Brown..." "..Big Brown's in town.."
here is Rodman's call... the audio is a little fuzzy, but its a nice call.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_tgBI8JgVI

[mister zesterhouse]

that's good stuff. here's nytimes opinion of our funny little game:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/03/opinion/03tue3.html?ref=opinion

[Mister Sanderson]

that's good stuff. here's nytimes opinion of our funny little game:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/03/opinion/03tue3.html?ref=opinion
yes yes you will also find it basically plagarized by bill finley on espn.com
i ripped into finley (as per usual with me, i hate that guy), he said the same thing, basically that all of our horses are bleeders, and none could run anywhere but here. i think i remember american horses heading over to dubai and taking a dump on all the worlds' best without being medicated. this is the new bash propaganda for this weeks addition of the triple crown. its a mass conspiracy it seems to take the fun out of this. jeremy plonk also writes for espn horse racing. i love his columns, he is a total degenerate, but even he doesnt want big brown to win because of dutrow, iavarone, and the dope.

[Mister Stigg]

here is Rodman's call... the audio is a little fuzzy, but its a nice call.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_tgBI8JgVI

Yeah, nice call. "With plenty left". Not sure why Stuart hammered Smarty. Not sure why Santos throttled funny cide, unless to prove he isn't a cheater. I'm not trying to say what Dutrow should do with Big Brown(has his mind made up it seems), but I will throw out one option that I think would be very interesting. If he wins the triple crown, will he really have anything else to prove vs three year olds? What about skipping the Travers, and beating older horses on the grass in the Arlington Million, before tackling Curlin and Heatseeker on Poly? Then he could definately be called unconquerable! I told a friend that I think he could go anywhere in the world and win on grass, 1m to 1 1/2m, doesn't matter. And I believe that. I think he could possibly be even more dominant on grass. But first, lets get out of the Belmont healthy.

[Mister Sanderson]

Yeah, nice call. "With plenty left". Not sure why Stuart hammered Smarty. Not sure why Santos throttled funny cide, unless to prove he isn't a cheater. I'm not trying to say what Dutrow should do with Big Brown(has his mind made up it seems), but I will throw out one option that I think would be very interesting. If he wins the triple crown, will he really have anything else to prove vs three year olds? What about skipping the Travers, and beating older horses on the grass in the Arlington Million, before tackling Curlin and Heatseeker on Poly? Then he could definately be called unconquerable! I told a friend that I think he could go anywhere in the world and win on grass, 1m to 1 1/2m, doesn't matter. And I believe that. I think he could possibly be even more dominant on grass. But first, lets get out of the Belmont healthy.
Great point. I would love to see him in the Breeders Cup Turf. How awesome would that be to see the Big Boy win the Triple Crown then the Breeders Cup Turf. No way would that EVER happen again. He is freakish on turf, we already know that.

[Mister Stigg]

Great point. I would love to see him in the Breeders Cup Turf. How awesome would that be to see the Big Boy win the Triple Crown then the Breeders Cup Turf. No way would that EVER happen again. He is freakish on turf, we already know that.

And maybe grass would be easier on his feet? Not sure. I would rather see him win a solid grass race, then get to race against Curlin in the Classic, just for the sport. Another thought for BC day, although less prestigious, no one in the world could beat him at a mile on grass,healthy.

[mister zesterhouse]

forever is a long time: there will definitely be more big browns, the richest people in the world play our little game. he's lebron james in here: casino drive will have to be invasor to beat him. i doubt that.


also: the dutrow/ieah cheerleaders may be defending and supporting a position more difficult than the barry bonds/mark mcgwire/rocket clemens/ken caminiti position. good afternoon and good luck tu?

[Mister Sanderson]

forever is a long time: there will definitely be more big browns, the richest people in the world play our little game. he's lebron james in here: casino drive will have to be invasor to beat him. i doubt that.


also: the dutrow/ieah cheerleaders may be defending and supporting a position more difficult than the barry bonds/mark mcgwire/rocket clemens/ken caminiti position. good afternoon and good luck tu?
i would be willing to wager if you write it into your will for $200.00 that no one will ever win the Triple Crown and the Breeders Cup Turf the same year in mine or your lifetime. whoever dies first ends the contest. Get a will, and we shall do this.

[mister zesterhouse]

i would be willing to wager if you write it into your will for $200.00 that no one will ever win the Triple Crown and the Breeders Cup Turf the same year in mine or your lifetime. whoever dies first ends the contest. Get a will, and we shall do this.


Life is short. There will be more Tiger Woods'. Yeah I need to draw up a will, I needed to have a reason: I have a bag of Funyuns to my name.