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TenCentSuper
03-04-2006, 09:48 AM
Story on www.pnrc.com (sorry, not bothering to link it) dated yesterday that April 8th will be the last live card raced at Penn before they demo the old grandstand to build the new racino. Live racing will resume April 26 before a temporary grandstand.

I was at Penn since the beginning, as a little kid going with my family. Here's a nostalgic synopsis of "how it used to be..."

Ten races, Sunday afternoons only. Later, they ran Saturday nights and Sundays, and boy the place was PACKED. They charged for parking, a buck or two. If you got there "late" (just before the first race) you had a hike to get to the grandstand. Anybody who's been there will attest that the lot is immense, too. People used to take a page out of their form and hang it over their seats in the grandstand so as not to lose their seat when they got up to make bets. Getting grandstand seats near the wire was impossible unless you showed up at 11am (post time was 1:30 I believe on Sundays).

You had bet windows and cash windows. You had denomination windows, and certain exotics windows. If you wanted a WPS bet and an exacta, you had to bet, get out of line, and go get in the exacta line. Getting shut out was commonplace and they had boatloads of windows open and running.

I realize the older guys here remember these days quite clearly, but maybe some younger guys do not.

The tri was called the "Big Triple" and was a $3 bet. They also had a $3 quiniela. There were no $1 boxes of any kind. You had to play the ex both ways for $2 each if you wanted to box it.

General admission was a few bucks (forget exactly) and they had valet parking for anybody who wanted it. My grandparents used to say only the "big shots" could afford to sit "upstairs" in the club levels. The program consisted basically of the names, trainers, numbers, jocks, and weights. No PP's in the program. You had to buy the form for those. And I don't think you could buy the form at the track, you had to bring it in from outside. There were at least five guys selling tip sheets. One was "Jack's Little Green Card." Another was "JJ's." I think there was a "Mike's" too, but definitely JJ and Jack. Last time I was there, there is only ONE tip guy left and he's been there since the start. The most striking difference in the action compared to today was THAT WAS ALL THERE WAS, that card, THAT DAY. Unless you had a bookie, (which none of us did) the only action you had was the live card unfolding in front of you. I think this made for smarter bettors, I don't know. You had nothing to do for the 25 minutes between races but study the next race. You weren't running off to throw two bucks on a longshot at Pompano or something while you were waiting.

Sadly, those days of the big crowds and "event" atmosphere are long, long gone. The place is empty, except for the hard core. So the grandstand and the grounds were never some beautiful Saratoga and the horses weren't going to run in G1's anyplace, but it was where I was exposed to the game and I will be sad to see the place go. I know Cauthen and Day both ran there. Probably some others of note. The place had its ups and downs. I hope there are more ups in years to come.

Steve
03-04-2006, 09:59 AM
Thanks for that informative post! My hopes are the same as yours.

Steve

Tony Rose
03-04-2006, 10:43 AM
I remember a female jock named Mary Surrency ran there, she had a lot of winners in the late 70's.tro(

Anyone else with recollections?

Good luck to all -

TR

TenCentSuper
03-04-2006, 11:09 AM
She's a trainer now and has a son who's a jock. How about Andy Seldomridge who was known among the punters as "Seldomwins."

turfeye
03-04-2006, 03:06 PM
For more than 20 years, Penn was also home to the grandaddy of all handicapping contests ... the World Series of Handicapping. During its heyday, many of the biggest names among professional handicappers used to make the trek to Grantville, PA. each fall ... Andy Beyer, Steve Crist, Steve Davidowitz, Dave Litfin, Russ Harris.
I did not witness this, but have been told it's a true story. Beyer held the lead going into the last race of the the three-day contest. After checking the posted selections of the contestants closest to him, Beyer went to the windows and bet several thousand dollars on the one horse he was worried about beating him, effectively driving down the odds so the winnings would not allow his rival to pass him. The horse not only lost, but some other longshot won, knocking Beyer out of first place. He swore he would never return to Penn National.
Penn grandstand was also the place where hundreds of fans were trapped one wintry night when an ice storm shut down all roads, including the Interstate, surrounding the track. It was a day-night doubleheader. I narrowly avoided being caught by leaving just before race 1 of the nightcap. Those who stayed were forced to sleep in the grandstand until the roads could be re-opened the next day.

TenCentSuper
03-04-2006, 03:27 PM
Good stuff there, turf. I'd seen the WSOH at P-N a time or two but didn't know about the storm refugees. I'm sure you know Clinton Potts made his bones at Penn before he started running at Delaware. It got to the point where he was so hot at Penn, if he was on a goat you'd have to give it serious consideration.

fetty
03-04-2006, 04:18 PM
tencentsuper hi sure remmering old times there!! dalegress spelling??anyway seen him one night going to get up on his horse and fell over on other side drunk !! and other time he bet some other horse in the same race he was in seen him put tickets in his boot!!!before he got on it was a stack of tickets after the race sure did cashem he did!!! yet the horse he was on was 3to1 he ran out of themoney !!! jenal berry erisnt konenatalkie arnold illiscue rob cake jeff loldyed spelling bad I rember william tallers wife he was trainer she sat in grandstands when she go to bet her hubby had a horre it would win or come in the money !!1 greatsuff thanks fetty

TenCentSuper
03-04-2006, 05:26 PM
Yeah, fetty there's no lack of stories like that out of Penn. It was as crooked as the Alaska coastline. That's what I mean by ups and downs. I remember those old jocks too, Berry, Ilescu. The whole tote board blew over one time. They waited months to fix it. Nobody had any idea of the pools and they kept running. You'd see the pools for like five seconds on the three 19" tv's they had in the grandstand. Always a fun night out though.

OTBernie
03-04-2006, 06:41 PM
Robert Colton was one of my favorite Penn jockeys.

deltasports
03-04-2006, 08:34 PM
Story on www.pnrc.com (sorry, not bothering to link it) dated yesterday that April 8th will be the last live card raced at Penn before they demo the old grandstand to build the new racino. Live racing will resume April 26 before a temporary grandstand.

I was at Penn since the beginning, as a little kid going with my family. Here's a nostalgic synopsis of "how it used to be..."

Ten races, Sunday afternoons only. Later, they ran Saturday nights and Sundays, and boy the place was PACKED. They charged for parking, a buck or two. If you got there "late" (just before the first race) you had a hike to get to the grandstand. Anybody who's been there will attest that the lot is immense, too. People used to take a page out of their form and hang it over their seats in the grandstand so as not to lose their seat when they got up to make bets. Getting grandstand seats near the wire was impossible unless you showed up at 11am (post time was 1:30 I believe on Sundays).

You had bet windows and cash windows. You had denomination windows, and certain exotics windows. If you wanted a WPS bet and an exacta, you had to bet, get out of line, and go get in the exacta line. Getting shut out was commonplace and they had boatloads of windows open and running.

I realize the older guys here remember these days quite clearly, but maybe some younger guys do not.

The tri was called the "Big Triple" and was a $3 bet. They also had a $3 quiniela. There were no $1 boxes of any kind. You had to play the ex both ways for $2 each if you wanted to box it.

General admission was a few bucks (forget exactly) and they had valet parking for anybody who wanted it. My grandparents used to say only the "big shots" could afford to sit "upstairs" in the club levels. The program consisted basically of the names, trainers, numbers, jocks, and weights. No PP's in the program. You had to buy the form for those. And I don't think you could buy the form at the track, you had to bring it in from outside. There were at least five guys selling tip sheets. One was "Jack's Little Green Card." Another was "JJ's." I think there was a "Mike's" too, but definitely JJ and Jack. Last time I was there, there is only ONE tip guy left and he's been there since the start. The most striking difference in the action compared to today was THAT WAS ALL THERE WAS, that card, THAT DAY. Unless you had a bookie, (which none of us did) the only action you had was the live card unfolding in front of you. I think this made for smarter bettors, I don't know. You had nothing to do for the 25 minutes between races but study the next race. You weren't running off to throw two bucks on a longshot at Pompano or something while you were waiting.

Sadly, those days of the big crowds and "event" atmosphere are long, long gone. The place is empty, except for the hard core. So the grandstand and the grounds were never some beautiful Saratoga and the horses weren't going to run in G1's anyplace, but it was where I was exposed to the game and I will be sad to see the place go. I know Cauthen and Day both ran there. Probably some others of note. The place had its ups and downs. I hope there are more ups in years to come.

I KNOW THAT BRUNO BELUCI WAS THERE AT THE START AND I BET HE IS STILL THERE.....I HIRED HIM AS A PONY BOY BACK IN 1964 AT ANOTHER RACE TRACK...

Rudy
03-04-2006, 09:51 PM
I grew up on Long Island my first bets were at age 13 betting show at the old Roosevelt Raceway almost where Lindberg took off to Europe.. I still remember some of the horses Oil Burner,Winshield wiper amd Sandra Lil,,the times got a lot faster since then......Drivers Webster,Gilmore,Fillions,,is Herve still in the Federal Pen???Lotta race fixing then.........Remember those windows for $50.00 win / triples/ and cold winter night racing........the grandstand was finally demolished after many years of being a flea market,racing left there 20 years ago...What about Steve Cauthen the kid was phenominal...to bad all they remember are Day,Bailey and Pincay..