Which of these angles do you think will produce the best profit?

[admin]

Please discuss your answers to the poll here.

[Rudy]

I like to see improving beyers...some trainers claim a horse and have to figure them out before they can successfully win..


Please stick to the topic Rudy.

Thanks

John

[Tony Rose]

These angles all have some validity - thought provoking.

I like the new trainer for the same reason I like invaders. No one is likely to claim a horse or take a horse into their barn unless they have a good idea that they can recoup their investment. Figure a new trainer is not going to send the horse out unless he's sure the horse is prepared and ready to run in good form - otherwise, he makes himself look bad.

Increasing Beyers I think is power packed. The trend is your friend. A hot horse is a really strong inducement for me.

Stretching out the horse if he prefers routes seems to be sensible. I have to admit I have not looked at this too much in practice, but I can't dismiss.

Even the owners can give you a tell. It always makes sense to look over at the paddock if you are at the track, see what is up. If it's a run-of -the-mill claimer and the owners are dressed to the nines, seems to me they're thinking positive. All other things being equal, I'd have to factor it in.

[ken]

A trainer is easing the horse back into the game and running back to what the horse is best at! That is my pick.
Beyers numbers angles are too used to be big profit.
Dressed up? Any time an owner thinks the horse cannot win it is time to get a new horse or new trainer!
New connections can be positive but not for a meal ticket or a sore horse.
I will not discuss wild dope rumors on this thread, thank you!

[mousey]

I like to see improving beyers...some trainers claim a horse and have to figure them out before they can successfully win..


Please stick to the topic Rudy.

Thanks

John


Beyers are an important item to factor in, I think too much is put into the fact a horse has had a layoff.

[SteveL]

Beyers are great, but only because the figures dictate how the public will bet. Improving Beyers -- everyone can see the trend, and, alas, no long-term value whatsoever is such a horse.

Poor recent Beyers, but competitive back Beyers, coupled with other hidden factors . . . ? -- now, that is a play that offers long-term value for the patient player.

[ken]

Hi!
I think that is very true- I still see many horse bet down due to recent wins or close finishes when the current race may not be a good comparison to thise recent races.
I like to find "hidden" patterns of success at a price!

[mister zesterhouse]

then it's the stretch-out after a sprint to a preferred distance that's the best angle.

[eaoa89]

Maybe it comes from when I used to play Harness Horses and they would put "Lifetime Best" in the comments section, but the improving horse has to be strongly considered. Don't like the new barn angle (unless it's a top trainer) because animals, like people, can take some time to get acclimated to a new home. The layoff angle would work if combined with improving figs, and as for the "dressed up owners" I'm sure many of them always get dressed up (especially those who don't own a lot of horses and the day when their horse runs is a special occasion

[Mister Sanderson]

Totally one of my biggest angles... yes, others may notice that the horse is going from a 5% trainer into asmussen's barn, but normally right off the claim you still get a fair price.. Barn change for me by far.. the other choices have alot to do with what else X horse drew in the race with.. I mean sprint, sprint, to route is not necessarily a good angle in a two turn race loaded with two other speedballs..

[shughorse]

I agree, Beyers are easiest to spot by handicappers, trainer angles have always seemed to work best for me.

[lvcookie]

I use the last 3 Beyers. So my response is the Beyers of those angles listed.

[FastG45]

:D I like 2nd or 3rd off a layoff and stretching out best just because I’ve seen that one happen more times then the other ones. Next I like the Beyer going up in 2 consecutive races especially if they rise consistently even, I prefer +3 at a time, example ( 89, 92, 95 ) but any consistent rise is good. Third I like first time for a new trainer but that one depends on who are the owner/trainer/jockey. And the last one I like is if the connections for a certain horse are dressed up. To be honest I have looked for that at small tracks in the middle of the week because everyone is dressed up at the big tracks on the weekends. As for the braided mains, a lot of jocks will start unbraiding them before they get to the starting gate because it makes it easier to hold on. I have seen all these scenarios come true. Obviously the angle that will produce the best profit is the one with the highest odds when you are correct about the scenario you pick. I believe the first angle will score the most times but you will also find the most favorites there. ds: the best profit

[REBel]

I've always thought 1 or 2 sprints before a route was a good way to tighten up a horse and if he prefers the route it's a bet.

[turbo]

I agree with Rebel's post on this. Occassionally one will hit at a decent price.

[chango55]

I like the 2nd or 3rd off the layoff and stretching out. I have hit some at some good prices. People look at how bad the horse did in those sprint races and toss the horse out without a second look.

[painthorse]

Those theories are all interesting, a couple of them I've never even considered. I guess I'm a pace better so I guess I wouldn't really consider any of them, but thanks for the thought.

[Jerfi]

I like the stretch out ONLY if the horse finished within 3 lengths of the winner, or if he made a HUGE gain in the stretch. Huge means that his TIME is at least a full second faster than the winner.

[jfey52]

"all the world's a stage..." i know im new to all this,but apply my life experiences to...in my opinion...forget the facade...the garb and the braids...consult w/the horse and the jockey...when possible i pay close attention to both...i mean they're the ones in th thick of it right?? all falls upon their shoulders...from th trainer to th actual performance...all the training by the best...the gazzillion bazzillion $$$, the "winning" jockey", etc...iv recently found less is more...and then there's the variables...so many variables...that's what i LOVE about this sport..."separates the men from the boys!!!" so put ur thinking caps on!!!

[sace5326]

i like the beyers going up as long as the horse has stayed in the same class or has gone up in class in its couple previous races.his beyers can go up from a drop in class but that can give a mixed view of his performance.

sace5326

[mop38]

None of those mentioned I place too much faith in.

I used to get nice rewards from eyeballing races where only one horse had a distance race, and all the others ran many recent sprints.

That used to turn up hadsome profits, but lately the game seems to have changed, and this scenerio doesn't show up much, if at all.

I don't know what has happened, but it sure looks STRANGE!

I can only guess that recently we see too many mediocre horses running one or two good ones, and nothing great like in the decade where we had three Triple Crowners and many talented horses. bh)