How to handicap jockeys.

[zxvtrp]

I swore I'd never reveal this but here goes. Please keep this to only us subscribers of this wonderful site. Don't reveal it to anyone else, as it will cost you in odds. I don't think all of us combined will change the odds that much, but we'll all be betting the same horses across the country. I guess I'll be able to tell in a couple of days.

Equibase is the best site to use for this, but you have to use (drf.com) right before you go to the track, for scratches etc. to bet.

#1 You must "DAILY" maintain a list of all the jockeys records from the "Meet Statistics" of the top 10 tracks. There you'll find all jockey records, including turf records, distance and sprint races. This is free from Equibase. You can print it.

#2 You must go to "In Todays List", also free from Equibase. Click on "ALL" Jockeys for your date. It may take a while to load. There, you'll notice some jockeys are listed on only one horse or two horses. These are the only races to play. Write all these jockeys names down and the track and horse name. After doing this several times, you'll learn almost all jockeys names and which track they usually ride. You'll notice that a few jockeys might ride at two or more tracks daily, but there are also a few with the same names.
You'll also notice, if a top or high % jockey, at his own track has only 2 rides, he ALMOST ALWAYS wins or places one of them! I found if that if you bet a certain amount on his first ride and he wins, don't bet the second one. If he loses the first one, then double up on the 2nd ride. Don't consider any jockey with more than 2 rides, UNLESS ITS A NATIONAL TOP 20 JOCKEY that has shipped-in to another track. You can also download another free list from Equibase that lists the "TOP 100" jockeys, so you can remember their names.

#3 You must match a top or high percentage jockey with the list you made of the jockeys in step 2, according to race conditions. (Turf, Dirt, Sprint etc.) Some ride better on turf or are masters of sprint or distance races.

#4 You must then get a list of scratches and jockey changes from dfr.com. just before the tracks open. This will again narrow down your list. Also, after I arrive, I usually get a teller to give me a scratch list. I've seen a few times when I only had 2 races to bet for the day, but these usually always win!! On the average, you'll have 10 races to bet on any given day, especially on Saturday.

#5 You can be assured you'll cash a lot of tickets. I only bet $100 Win $200 Place And $700 Show. My best bet is to take my 3 highest rated Jockey races and parlay them. I've cashed for over $10,000 several times doing this, while laughing to myself.

#6 If two of these jockeys are in the same race, bet the one with the lower odds. It seems as though this is really the best bet at all tracks, because I have yet to see the one with the higher odds beat the one with lower odds. Another thing , be sure to key these two in your trifecta!! I don't know how many times I've seen them run first and third, with the one with lower odds winning, but I rarely bet exotics. If there are 3 jockeys in the race, PASS IT!!!

#7 You must keep this system to yourself to keep the odds up. Don't tout any of these horses around any betting parlor. Only go to the same teller. He'll soon see your a winner and give him a few of these races, and tip big, to keep him quiet. I know we all want to look smart to everyone but it will just cost you in final odds.

#8 You should keep the first list of jockeys you made for a good handicapping tool for the other races. You'll begin to notice some of these ones that you marked out, will win at unbelievable BOXCAR PRICES.

I don't know about statistics on this, but for some reason, you'll notice that if your horse loses, it usually breaks down on the track and is vanned off. I still can't figure the connection to this unusally high rate of breakdowns, unless the horse is juiced up to win and overdoes it.

I'll give my list of jockeys for Sunday 9-10-06 . I'll try and post them Sunday morning.


GOOD LUCK!!! You won't need it though! zxvtrp

[ken]

Vanned off-
Are most of these horse shippers running in big races? I'm wondering if shipping or pushing the horse may hava a hand in the occasional breakdowns?

[pline_king]

Your jockey method sounds pretty good. I might give it a try.

[notrapmit]

I swore I'd never reveal this but here goes. Please keep this to only us subscribers of this wonderful site. Don't reveal it to anyone else, as it will cost you in odds. I don't think all of us combined will change the odds that much, but we'll all be betting the same horses across the country. I guess I'll be able to tell in a couple of days.

Equibase is the best site to use for this, but you have to use (drf.com) right before you go to the track, for scratches etc. to bet.

#1 You must "DAILY" maintain a list of all the jockeys records from the "Meet Statistics" of the top 10 tracks. There you'll find all jockey records, including turf records, distance and sprint races. This is free from Equibase. You can print it.

#2 You must go to "In Todays List", also free from Equibase. Click on "ALL" Jockeys for your date. It may take a while to load. There, you'll notice some jockeys are listed on only one horse or two horses. These are the only races to play. Write all these jockeys names down and the track and horse name. After doing this several times, you'll learn almost all jockeys names and which track they usually ride. You'll notice that a few jockeys might ride at two or more tracks daily, but there are also a few with the same names.
You'll also notice, if a top or high % jockey, at his own track has only 2 rides, he ALMOST ALWAYS wins or places one of them! I found if that if you bet a certain amount on his first ride and he wins, don't bet the second one. If he loses the first one, then double up on the 2nd ride. Don't consider any jockey with more than 2 rides, UNLESS ITS A NATIONAL TOP 20 JOCKEY that has shipped-in to another track. You can also download another free list from Equibase that lists the "TOP 100" jockeys, so you can remember their names.

#3 You must match a top or high percentage jockey with the list you made of the jockeys in step 2, according to race conditions. (Turf, Dirt, Sprint etc.) Some ride better on turf or are masters of sprint or distance races.

#4 You must then get a list of scratches and jockey changes from dfr.com. just before the tracks open. This will again narrow down your list. Also, after I arrive, I usually get a teller to give me a scratch list. I've seen a few times when I only had 2 races to bet for the day, but these usually always win!! On the average, you'll have 10 races to bet on any given day, especially on Saturday.

#5 You can be assured you'll cash a lot of tickets. I only bet $100 Win $200 Place And $700 Show. My best bet is to take my 3 highest rated Jockey races and parlay them. I've cashed for over $10,000 several times doing this, while laughing to myself.

#6 If two of these jockeys are in the same race, bet the one with the lower odds. It seems as though this is really the best bet at all tracks, because I have yet to see the one with the higher odds beat the one with lower odds. Another thing , be sure to key these two in your trifecta!! I don't know how many times I've seen them run first and third, with the one with lower odds winning, but I rarely bet exotics. If there are 3 jockeys in the race, PASS IT!!!

#7 You must keep this system to yourself to keep the odds up. Don't tout any of these horses around any betting parlor. Only go to the same teller. He'll soon see your a winner and give him a few of these races, and tip big, to keep him quiet. I know we all want to look smart to everyone but it will just cost you in final odds.

#8 You should keep the first list of jockeys you made for a good handicapping tool for the other races. You'll begin to notice some of these ones that you marked out, will win at unbelievable BOXCAR PRICES.

I don't know about statistics on this, but for some reason, you'll notice that if your horse loses, it usually breaks down on the track and is vanned off. I still can't figure the connection to this unusally high rate of breakdowns, unless the horse is juiced up to win and overdoes it.

I'll give my list of jockeys for Sunday 9-10-06 . I'll try and post them Sunday morning.


GOOD LUCK!!! You won't need it though! zxvtrp
New here so don't really know what i'm doing but here goes. Your method sounds very interesting , i'll be watching Sunday to see your list. Also does it work on races with large numbers of high percentage jockeys?

[Jerfi]

These are the jocks who win 25% of their races, or higher:

Ramon A. Dominguez. 968 261 198 148 $9,125,286 27%
Russell A. Baze........ 887 254 182 139 $4,866,554 29%
John R. Davila, Jr. ....442 132 85 51 $1,505,029 30%
Quincy Welch ..........482 132 78 81 $1,656,376 27%
Joe Bravo ...............390 113 75 48 $4,109,802 29%

[raven721]

that is very interesting. thank you. i will start to work on this. i will let you know how it turn out. thanks again.....raven721

[zxvtrp]

These are the jocks who win 25% of their races, or higher:

Ramon A. Dominguez. 968 261 198 148 $9,125,286 27%
Russell A. Baze........ 887 254 182 139 $4,866,554 29%
John R. Davila, Jr. ....442 132 85 51 $1,505,029 30%
Quincy Welch ..........482 132 78 81 $1,656,376 27%
Joe Bravo ...............390 113 75 48 $4,109,802 29%

Yes!! Those are four of five of my best ones, except Welch, where does he ride?? REMEMBER, these jockeys may have a high % Win, but make sure if its a sprint, distance, or turf races that get them their high %. Don't bet them until they meet the conditions. I can't remember which big race it was last year that Joe Bravo earned me nearly $9000 on one bet at Turfway Park, his only ride that day. The horse had Cat in its last name. It was a race before the Derby. Baze shipped across country 3 time on Lost-in-the Fog and won twice. Last meet at Churchill one day, he lost his first ride and paid BOXCARS on his second. Dominguez paid big on Bluegrass Cat on his second ride.
And yes it's usually a Stakes race, where they win, but watch the earlier race for their other ride.

DON'T try this method on Breeders Cup Day or any other big race day, because of all the top jockeys in one race, unless its their only ride.
DO REMEMBER, that these top jocks usually ship-in a day or two before and will have a live horse then!! DO LOOK at earlier races for a lone, local jockey with one ride, or a lone high % jockey back at his regular track that day, with one or two rides.

This method will cause you to think like a jockey agent!
zxvtrp

[gestalt]

I swore I'd never reveal this but here goes. Please keep this to only us subscribers of this wonderful site. Don't reveal it to anyone else, as it will cost you in odds. I don't think all of us combined will change the odds that much, but we'll all be betting the same horses across the country. I guess I'll be able to tell in a couple of days.

Equibase is the best site to use for this, but you have to use (drf.com) right before you go to the track, for scratches etc. to bet.

#1 You must "DAILY" maintain a list of all the jockeys records from the "Meet Statistics" of the top 10 tracks. There you'll find all jockey records, including turf records, distance and sprint races. This is free from Equibase. You can print it.

#2 You must go to "In Todays List", also free from Equibase. Click on "ALL" Jockeys for your date. It may take a while to load. There, you'll notice some jockeys are listed on only one horse or two horses. These are the only races to play. Write all these jockeys names down and the track and horse name. After doing this several times, you'll learn almost all jockeys names and which track they usually ride. You'll notice that a few jockeys might ride at two or more tracks daily, but there are also a few with the same names.
You'll also notice, if a top or high % jockey, at his own track has only 2 rides, he ALMOST ALWAYS wins or places one of them! I found if that if you bet a certain amount on his first ride and he wins, don't bet the second one. If he loses the first one, then double up on the 2nd ride. Don't consider any jockey with more than 2 rides, UNLESS ITS A NATIONAL TOP 20 JOCKEY that has shipped-in to another track. You can also download another free list from Equibase that lists the "TOP 100" jockeys, so you can remember their names.

#3 You must match a top or high percentage jockey with the list you made of the jockeys in step 2, according to race conditions. (Turf, Dirt, Sprint etc.) Some ride better on turf or are masters of sprint or distance races.

#4 You must then get a list of scratches and jockey changes from dfr.com. just before the tracks open. This will again narrow down your list. Also, after I arrive, I usually get a teller to give me a scratch list. I've seen a few times when I only had 2 races to bet for the day, but these usually always win!! On the average, you'll have 10 races to bet on any given day, especially on Saturday.

#5 You can be assured you'll cash a lot of tickets. I only bet $100 Win $200 Place And $700 Show. My best bet is to take my 3 highest rated Jockey races and parlay them. I've cashed for over $10,000 several times doing this, while laughing to myself.

#6 If two of these jockeys are in the same race, bet the one with the lower odds. It seems as though this is really the best bet at all tracks, because I have yet to see the one with the higher odds beat the one with lower odds. Another thing , be sure to key these two in your trifecta!! I don't know how many times I've seen them run first and third, with the one with lower odds winning, but I rarely bet exotics. If there are 3 jockeys in the race, PASS IT!!!

#7 You must keep this system to yourself to keep the odds up. Don't tout any of these horses around any betting parlor. Only go to the same teller. He'll soon see your a winner and give him a few of these races, and tip big, to keep him quiet. I know we all want to look smart to everyone but it will just cost you in final odds.

#8 You should keep the first list of jockeys you made for a good handicapping tool for the other races. You'll begin to notice some of these ones that you marked out, will win at unbelievable BOXCAR PRICES.

I don't know about statistics on this, but for some reason, you'll notice that if your horse loses, it usually breaks down on the track and is vanned off. I still can't figure the connection to this unusally high rate of breakdowns, unless the horse is juiced up to win and overdoes it.

I'll give my list of jockeys for Sunday 9-10-06 . I'll try and post them Sunday morning.


GOOD LUCK!!! You won't need it though! zxvtrp you deserve a reward for this, solid input, therefore you and a friend are invited as my guest to our hunting lodge for any fall weekend in the beautiful fingerlakes of NYS. I prefer the archery season. Deer are plentiful, and the wineries are in full bloom.

[thegrandmeister]

sounds reasonable to me. as 10% of all the jocks win 90% of the time. i am looking fwd to your sun. list so i can backtrack the steps. you know what happens sometimes. ! you give out & that day is your worst of the yr. sure hope that isn`t the case . so gl in advance .no matter what happens i will follow thru. tyvm thegrandmeister

[zxvtrp]

Chris DeCarlo is shipping in to 6th Woodbine, $150,000 Tremendos One!!
He lost every race as a ship-in at Belmont today, but had many rides. He'll hit the board here!!! Watch the tote!! Bet 10% 20% and 70%. I'll post a few more in the morning. Too sleepy now. Good night!! zxvtrp

[trifecta mark]

good luck with this....all the studies that I read suggest that jockeys are rather irrelevant on the dirt. Obviously many top riders get the best mounts from good barns and generally the lowest odds....no betting overlay value. The key to winning at the races with a big takeout over time. Understand a drop in class and a switch to a top jockey is sometimes relevant. On grass many say a jockey is more important...but the studies still suggest that the horse's class, form and trip is a much more important element in your handicapping.

[zxvtrp]

I swore I'd never reveal this but here goes. Please keep this to only us subscribers of this wonderful site. Don't reveal it to anyone else, as it will cost you in odds. I don't think all of us combined will change the odds that much, but we'll all be betting the same horses across the country. I guess I'll be able to tell in a couple of days.

Equibase is the best site to use for this, but you have to use (drf.com) right before you go to the track, for scratches etc. to bet.

#1 You must "DAILY" maintain a list of all the jockeys records from the "Meet Statistics" of the top 10 tracks. There you'll find all jockey records, including turf records, distance and sprint races. This is free from Equibase. You can print it.

#2 You must go to "In Todays List", also free from Equibase. Click on "ALL" Jockeys for your date. It may take a while to load. There, you'll notice some jockeys are listed on only one horse or two horses. These are the only races to play. Write all these jockeys names down and the track and horse name. After doing this several times, you'll learn almost all jockeys names and which track they usually ride. You'll notice that a few jockeys might ride at two or more tracks daily, but there are also a few with the same names.
You'll also notice, if a top or high % jockey, at his own track has only 2 rides, he ALMOST ALWAYS wins or places one of them! I found if that if you bet a certain amount on his first ride and he wins, don't bet the second one. If he loses the first one, then double up on the 2nd ride. Don't consider any jockey with more than 2 rides, UNLESS ITS A NATIONAL TOP 20 JOCKEY that has shipped-in to another track. You can also download another free list from Equibase that lists the "TOP 100" jockeys, so you can remember their names.

#3 You must match a top or high percentage jockey with the list you made of the jockeys in step 2, according to race conditions. (Turf, Dirt, Sprint etc.) Some ride better on turf or are masters of sprint or distance races.

#4 You must then get a list of scratches and jockey changes from dfr.com. just before the tracks open. This will again narrow down your list. Also, after I arrive, I usually get a teller to give me a scratch list. I've seen a few times when I only had 2 races to bet for the day, but these usually always win!! On the average, you'll have 10 races to bet on any given day, especially on Saturday.

#5 You can be assured you'll cash a lot of tickets. I only bet $100 Win $200 Place And $700 Show. My best bet is to take my 3 highest rated Jockey races and parlay them. I've cashed for over $10,000 several times doing this, while laughing to myself.

#6 If two of these jockeys are in the same race, bet the one with the lower odds. It seems as though this is really the best bet at all tracks, because I have yet to see the one with the higher odds beat the one with lower odds. Another thing , be sure to key these two in your trifecta!! I don't know how many times I've seen them run first and third, with the one with lower odds winning, but I rarely bet exotics. If there are 3 jockeys in the race, PASS IT!!!

#7 You must keep this system to yourself to keep the odds up. Don't tout any of these horses around any betting parlor. Only go to the same teller. He'll soon see your a winner and give him a few of these races, and tip big, to keep him quiet. I know we all want to look smart to everyone but it will just cost you in final odds.

#8 You should keep the first list of jockeys you made for a good handicapping tool for the other races. You'll begin to notice some of these ones that you marked out, will win at unbelievable BOXCAR PRICES.

I don't know about statistics on this, but for some reason, you'll notice that if your horse loses, it usually breaks down on the track and is vanned off. I still can't figure the connection to this unusally high rate of breakdowns, unless the horse is juiced up to win and overdoes it.

I'll give my list of jockeys for Sunday 9-10-06 . I'll try and post them Sunday morning.


GOOD LUCK!!! You won't need it though! zxvtrp

Sorry, I didn't have time to check scratches Sunday, but those that did like I posted above, won a ton of money at Turfway and Mountaineer. At Turfway Sunday. Brice Blanc had one ride in the 9th which ran 2nd at 6-1. In the 3rd Philip Treator won his only ride at 15-1. In the 4th Molina Jr. and Meija had their only rides which was the Exacta and the top keyed Trifecta. Dean Sarvis , the leading rider from last year, had only 2 rides and ran second on his 2nd one. Edgar Paucar won his first of 2 rides. Calo had two rides and came in on one of them

Mountaineer Sunday, 10th race, Andrew Ramgeet won his only ride. Rico Sarimento shipped in from Thistledown where he had 2 rides and his 2nd one ran 2nd at 44-1. When he came in for 1 ride at Mtn. he won it as the favorite. The most impoortant thing about that race was Jane Magrell who shipped in with him, ran 2nd at 44-1 completeing huge Exacta and Trifecta. She shipped for two rides but lost her first race as the dead lock favorite. Kinda funny isn't it??? The biggest one that I know you all had was I. Gonzalez who won his only ride(2nd race) at 22-1 BOXCARS. I tore em up on that race, I hope you all that followed this method did too!!

Now I gave out DeCarlo at Woodbine, but when I saw he was the cod lock favorite I passed on him. I hope you all did too. He ran all the way out!!

At Arlington , Borel, Melancon and Jesus Castanon shipped, but the track was so sloppy that a few too many hores scratched that they were supposed to ride. Castanon was supposed to ship to Mtn., for the 9th but didn't make it, but if you'll look at the chart, the trainer won the race at Mtn. anyway. In the 6th Shane Lavlioette came in 2nd on his only ride at 9-1. And Eddie Baird ran 2nd on his only ride at nearly 6-1. Uriel Lopez ran 3rd on his only ride and in the same race the cod lock favorite SPEEDY LA PEW scratched because of the slop and it was Riggs only ride on a Catalano horse. Watch that horse next time out!!@!!!! zxvtrp

Finally, at Calder Julio Garcia had only 2 rides and came in on both of them!
Check the Sunday charts. zxvtrp

[zxvtrp]

[quote=zxvtrp]Sorry, I didn't have time to check scratches Sunday, but those that did like I posted above, won a ton of money at Turfway and Mountaineer. At Turfway Sunday. Brice Blanc had one ride in the 9th which ran 2nd at 6-1. In the 3rd Philip Treator won his only ride at 15-1. In the 4th Molina Jr. and Meija had their only rides which was the Exacta and the top keyed Trifecta. Dean Sarvis , the leading rider from last year, had only 2 rides and ran second on his 2nd one. Edgar Paucar won his first of 2 rides. Calo had two rides and came in on one of them

Mountaineer Sunday, 10th race, Andrew Ramgeet won his only ride. Rico Sarimento shipped in from Thistledown where he had 2 rides and his 2nd one ran 2nd at 44-1. When he came in for 1 ride at Mtn. he won it as the favorite. The most impoortant thing about that race was Jane Magrell who shipped in with him, ran 2nd at 44-1 completeing huge Exacta and Trifecta. She shipped for two rides but lost her first race as the dead lock favorite. Kinda funny isn't it??? Sorry I got that wrong, it was K. Murphy who won that race on his only ride. And Magrell ran 2nd at 44-1 in the last race that Andrew Ranmgeet won. Sorry got it backwards. But as you can see this method actually works!! The biggest one that I know you all had was, Ivan Gonzalez, who won his only ride(2nd race) at 22-1 BOXCARS!!!!! I tore em up on that race, I hope you all that followed this method did too!!

Now I gave out DeCarlo at Woodbine, but when I saw he was the cod lock favorite I passed on him. I hope you all did too. Like i posted, West Coast jocks never win there but East Coast Jockls have some success.He ran all the way out!!

At Arlington , Borel, Melancon and Jesus Castanon shipped, but the track was so sloppy that a few too many hores scratched that they were supposed to ride. Castanon was supposed to ship to Mtn., for the 9th but didn't make it, but if you'll look at the chart, the trainer won that race at Mtn. anyway. In the 6th Shane Lavlioette came in 2nd on his only ride at 9-1. And Eddie Baird ran 2nd on his only ride at nearly 6-1. Uriel Lopez ran 3rd on his only ride and in the same race the cod lock favorite SPEEDY LA PEW scratched because of the slop and it was Riggs only ride on a Catalano horse. Watch that horse next time out!!@!!!! zxvtrp

Finally, at Calder Julio Garcia had only 2 rides and came in on both of them!
Check the Sunday charts. This system works best on Friday and Saturday. I almost foirgot, it doiesn't usually work on the first race! zxvtrp

[sloan]

Most jockeys that win a lot of races are betted down by the public if they are on a decent horse with a high percentage trainer it's even harder to pick up any type of price. At a $100 to win, $200 to place and $700 to show you would lose money if your horse does not win. Point in case, any horse that gets low odds that only places and shows would cost you $$$. The only true method to make a profit is to mange your money by watching the odds on your pick before the race goes off.

[zxvtrp]

You are exactly right. I always pass on any race unless the odds reach at least 2-1 or more with 1 minute to post. Whit this jockey method, you only end up betting about 10 races a day. Also in this method I forgot to mention not to play the first race at any track. My bets are always 10% 20% and 70%. I always win money, even if the horse just shows. zxvtrp

[trifecta mark]

"I always win money...." I seriously doubt that playing well bet chaulk because of a jocky will pass the ROI test over time. Everything works some of the time.... but nothing works all the time. Betting a lot of money to show expecting overlays is a fools game in horseracing. A couple of losers wipes all the slim profit of many winners in a row. With a 15-20% takeout you are not getting paid properly for the real risk you are taking. You want a safe small return? Buy a bond.

[senortout]

What a Pick....Tremendous One....was a Pletcher-trained horse and thus got automatic, mindless play and finished a well-beaten, never in the race overbet nag....must say I think anyone who followed this pick may be down over a grand today on your recommendation, ARE YOU?

senortout

[cersac]

Didn't you read his post where it was said that because it was the favorite no bet was made.

Oh Yea

[zxvtrp]

Jockeys for Hawthorne Sept. 15: 1st race E. Bairds only ride. My best.

Rene Douglas Two rides 5th & 9th.is my next best bet.

I'm going to bet Jerry LaSala in the 3rd on his only ride.

I see two jockeys coming in from Calder. Penalba 8th(10-1) and Jose Lopez in the 2nd(8-1). Probably saw how much success Jose Ferrer has had.

In the 5th race with Rene Douglas, J. Lantz has his only ride which I'm going to key with Douglas.

I'll check other tracks later, good luck. zxvtrp

[Mister Sanderson]

good luck with this....all the studies that I read suggest that jockeys are rather irrelevant on the dirt. Obviously many top riders get the best mounts from good barns and generally the lowest odds....no betting overlay value. The key to winning at the races with a big takeout over time. Understand a drop in class and a switch to a top jockey is sometimes relevant. On grass many say a jockey is more important...but the studies still suggest that the horse's class, form and trip is a much more important element in your handicapping.
I just totally agree with you. Yes, its nice to catch a hot jock. And yes, Jockey/trainer combo stats are a great thing to watch. IE when the Cat (catalano) calls on Rene Douglas, they mean business. When he boots up Uriel Lopez, well, they normally are saying 'we probably aren't best here, but this kid works hard for us in the morning and we'll give him a chance; we'll throw him a bone'. But for just randomly playing jockey's you think are good, well, good luck, because pain is a comin'. What's under the hood is much much much much much more important than who is setting aboard for the ride. IMO, that is.