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butter12
07-16-2006, 07:26 PM
i am new to horse racing i understand the basics but can someone explain to me how to handicap using pace of the race;;'

butter12
07-16-2006, 07:32 PM
[QUOTE=butter12]i am new to horse racing i understand the basics but can someone explain to me how to handicap using pace of the race another topic i want to talk about is value how do you handicap value or how do you find it

ken
07-16-2006, 10:42 PM
http://frandsen.com/newsletters/april00brs.htm
This is the page for intro to pace- at the bottom of the page is "All-ways home" They sell software that is used by Brisnet and others, but they have a huge amount of articles.
value handicapping depends on which factors or whose system you prefer- all in all it is determining the "true" odds a horse should be in a given race and diciding at the time you bet if what you decide is the "true" odds is higher (better) than the toteboard or morning line odds.
I would suggest you make a list of the various odds fractions so you do not have to sit and figure out if 5-2 is higher than 3-1 or 7-2 is.
For me much about handicapping is deciding % cahnce of winning and deciding what odds that would be.
Online search "handicapping" and "article" for various subjects you want.

gestalt
07-17-2006, 05:08 AM
Pace is a good reference point, however, pace at one track will not be the same as another, the ability to pace fast is a hallmark of a good horse, the ability of a horse to carry that energy draining event over a distance of ground is the hallmark of a great horse, add a good trainer, good groom, a good educational program, you just might get a winner, that is how tough it is. The track crew can change pace at their whim, harrow deeper, add more or less water, create speed lanes, screw up the inside or bless the outside: no magic ball out there but get familiar with your circuit. Betting into small pools is a bad habit. Some tracks do not time the start in the same manner, other tracks have a downhill run in the stretch, position alters the outcome and that will vary huge from track to track. Do not comingle 2 year olds, turf, dirt, and off tracks. Two turn races should be handled differently from one turn races. Your local library should have some good books by Brohamer or Borg. Read all you can when Ken posts, he is good. West coast racing is another world. There is more, so much more, money management being the most important in my world. Let us know your feelings in a few weeks. Good racing.

ken
07-17-2006, 12:04 PM
One thing Gesalt said is basically the less a horse fades, the better it holds pace, and the better they use energy the better the horse.
That is what I believe also. Whether by pace, internal fraction, or internal speed numbers, I look for horses to hold energy. I call it running even fractions. Many Kentucky Derby winner have that ability and you may see that over a number of races.

ken
07-17-2006, 12:15 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/horseracing/story/3594472
This is the chart for the 2005 KY Derby. Adding to the leader's time for lengths behing for the winner Giacomo, you will see that up to the mile mark he was running just under 24 seconds for each 2f.

Jerfi
07-17-2006, 05:49 PM
I like to look for a horse that has fastest pace times for EACH section of the race (I divide into 'early, middle, and late') ... and when one has that, over the last 3 races or so... one has a horse that will win a few races.

Granted, the price may be low... but... the win capability is there.