Derby Proved It Today

[deltasports]

Well It Sure Is A Fact!!!!
The Poly Track Horses Are Rats On The Dirt..
The First 5 Horses In The Derby Today Who Finished 1,2,3,4,5 Were All "dirt" Horses..& Nobody Can Claim Different.santa Anita Will Be In Trouble With The Upcoming Breeders Cup If They Dont Put In A Dirt Track And Hurry UP Doing So..

On Another Note: I Told Many People BEFORE the race That I Was Surprised That Stutts Entered Smo0th Air To Run Today..anytime One Of My Head Even Spiked A Short Fever I Always Walked Them For 30 Days & Started Over.. & Yes I Told Steve Before The Race & The Owner Of Tampa Bay Downs..

[King Nati]

Not all poly horses are rats.
Churchill today

r2 #9 Lenawee
prior race broke maiden at Keeneland.Today
$34.60 Winner

r3 #9 Forest Attack
last 5 races at Turfway.Today
Placed by a neck.

r4 #11 Cherokee Artist
only start at Keeneland.Today
Winner
r4 #10 Scibelli
only starts on poly
placed $235. ex
r4 #8 You and I forever
last start Keeneland 6th
prior to that Gulfstream 4th.Today
Showed $1833.20

r8 #9 Intangaroo
never on dirt.Today
$30.00 winner

r12 #3 Pious Ashley
only start Keeneland 3rd.Today
Winner.

Your right they suck.do;

[Mister Sanderson]

Yesterday at CD

race 2 63 k alw race
winner 6 honest pursuit off a kee poly win

winner race 8 G3 alysheba winner 5 giant gizmo off of poly win

winner the very next race, race 9 the crown royal G3 winner 5 Tizdejavu $44.00 only had been running on poly.

[diamondjoe]

For the record, Santa Anita already has decided to keep the artificial track. I'm suprised more people didn't hear about the controversial move that happened about 2 weeks ago. It was decided during an "invite only" meeting in which the only trainers/ owners invited were those that were in favor of the artificial surface.

As far far as the Derby's influence on this, Colonel John did manage to run run 6th, so perhaps it was a more a matter of him being one of 19 "dogs" in the 20 horse field. I have to admit, I was looking forward to cashing a nice win ticket ( I had Tale of Ekati and Denis of Cork on the nose), but perhaps Big Brown is the real deal. That being said, I am going to spend a lot of time trying to beat him in the Belmont. If he does win the Triple Crown, then I commend the horse for being that special despite the fact that he will probably already have his breeding stall waiting for him within seconds of winning the Belmont.

Nobody hit the hi-five, but congratulations on those who hit the $60k super. ::; bc(

[Nijinsky]

For the record, Santa Anita already has decided to keep the artificial track. I'm suprised more people didn't hear about the controversial move that happened about 2 weeks ago. It was decided during an "invite only" meeting in which the only trainers/ owners invited were those that were in favor of the artificial surface.

As far far as the Derby's influence on this, Colonel John did manage to run run 6th, so perhaps it was a more a matter of him being one of 19 "dogs" in the 20 horse field. I have to admit, I was looking forward to cashing a nice win ticket ( I had Tale of Ekati and Denis of Cork on the nose), but perhaps Big Brown is the real deal. That being said, I am going to spend a lot of time trying to beat him in the Belmont. If he does win the Triple Crown, then I commend the horse for being that special despite the fact that he will probably already have his breeding stall waiting for him within seconds of winning the Belmont.

Nobody hit the hi-five, but congratulations on those who hit the $60k super. ::; bc(
Perhaps Big Brown is the real deal?
Did I miss something yesterday?
He IS the real deal alright, Triple Crown or not........

[Mister Sanderson]

today
(sun)
at belmont

7 $22.00 wins featured stakes race. 7 f on the dirt off of only career starts both being off of poly wins at woodbine.

this list could go on and on. It's a myth that synthetic horses can't win on dirt. I would tend to believe that horses improve their stamina on synthetic since most of synthetic races involve sitting off of slower paces and making quick and powerful finishing moves.

[Nijinsky]

today
(sun)
at belmont

7 $22.00 wins featured stakes race. 7 f on the dirt off of only career starts both being off of poly wins at woodbine.

this list could go on and on. It's a myth that synthetic horses can't win on dirt. I would tend to believe that horses improve their stamina on synthetic since most of synthetic races involve sitting off of slower paces and making quick and powerful finishing moves.

Agreed.
Zenyatta, Tiago, and Gayego at the recent Oaklawn meeting are examples. One bad KY Derby for synthetic-prepped horses does not mean they won't win it in future. Just a bad day for horses who are not as good as Big Brown in the first place.

[Mister Stigg]

For the record, Santa Anita already has decided to keep the artificial track. I'm suprised more people didn't hear about the controversial move that happened about 2 weeks ago. It was decided during an "invite only" meeting in which the only trainers/ owners invited were those that were in favor of the artificial surface.

As far far as the Derby's influence on this, Colonel John did manage to run run 6th, so perhaps it was a more a matter of him being one of 19 "dogs" in the 20 horse field. I have to admit, I was looking forward to cashing a nice win ticket ( I had Tale of Ekati and Denis of Cork on the nose), but perhaps Big Brown is the real deal. That being said, I am going to spend a lot of time trying to beat him in the Belmont. If he does win the Triple Crown, then I commend the horse for being that special despite the fact that he will probably already have his breeding stall waiting for him within seconds of winning the Belmont.



Nobody hit the hi-five, but congratulations on those who hit the $60k super. ::; bc(


I'm actually surprised that no one hit the pick six at CD on Saturday. Other than two long shots(Intangaroo was playable), the rest was pretty much chalk! Not that I could have ever hit it with the $ I bring to the table, but I figured at least one high roller would have caught that.

[King Nati]

today
(sun)
at belmont

7 $22.00 wins featured stakes race. 7 f on the dirt off of only career starts both being off of poly wins at woodbine.

this list could go on and on. It's a myth that synthetic horses can't win on dirt. I would tend to believe that horses improve their stamina on synthetic since most of synthetic races involve sitting off of slower paces and making quick and powerful finishing moves.

Yes I think STAMINA is the word to use when talking
about horses going from poly to dirt.
Think what it could do to horse racing if all 2 yos
ran only on poly then at the start of there 3 yo career go to dirt.

[scottsdad]

All Good Points--imo
Its Easy To Play Monday Morning Quarterback After The Race Was Run And I Do Think A Few Horses Had Excuses For Their Derby Trip,but Overall----i Can Understand Somebody Not Liking Big Brown Because Of The hoves Issue Or Because Of Being Lightly Raced---but To Throw The Horse Off Of All Tickets Because Of Post Time Odds Or The 20 Hole Or Dutrows Bragging Confidence Was Just Plain Stupid.the Florida Derby Performance From The 12 Slot--albeit A Crummy Field Was A Super Dominating Effort.that Alone Warranted Bb To Be Somewhere On Everybodys Derby Ticket--imho.

[vicmac]

All Good Points--imo
Its Easy To Play Monday Morning Quarterback After The Race Was Run And I Do Think A Few Horses Had Excuses For Their Derby Trip,but Overall----i Can Understand Somebody Not Liking Big Brown Because Of The hoves Issue Or Because Of Being Lightly Raced---but To Throw The Horse Off Of All Tickets Because Of Post Time Odds Or The 20 Hole Or Dutrows Bragging Confidence Was Just Plain Stupid.the Florida Derby Performance From The 12 Slot--albeit A Crummy Field Was A Super Dominating Effort.that Alone Warranted Bb To Be Somewhere On Everybodys Derby Ticket--imho.
anytime you have a horse that runs against graded horses for the first time comes out the 12 hole sets crazy fractions kills the rabbits and destroys the late kickers and is still running hard !!!!!!!!you have a freak!!!!!!best horse Ive ever seen run.......goes 5 wide around the cd course and wins for fun!!!!!!!!!!!only time bb was asked to run was in the middle of the stretch!!!!!only horse that can beat bb is bb!!!!!!!!

[Mister Sanderson]

Although I personally didn't throw out Big Brown (see my Derby R9-12 thread) of my Derby tickets, I certainly don't blame those for leaving him out. Only one horse can win, and those were certainly factors leading to Big Brown possibly losing (other than Dutrow's prediction). The 20 hole, other speeds to run around, and the certainty of at least a 3 or 4 wide trip at a minimal we're valid enough reasons to take a shot against. Also, a new and longer distance and the proximity to the crowd where he may be more exposed to becoming distracted were a possiblity.

He just happened to be the best horse in the race regarless of most of those factors that actually happened anyway. But for those who tossed him for stated reasons, I get it and certainly wouldn't say you were out of bounds on your idea.

It's like baseball. If you get a hit 3 out of 10 times, you're pretty good.

[djunior]

Although I personally didn't throw out Big Brown (see my Derby R9-12 thread) of my Derby tickets, I certainly don't blame those for leaving him out. Only one horse can win, and those were certainly factors leading to Big Brown possibly losing (other than Dutrow's prediction). The 20 hole, other speeds to run around, and the certainty of at least a 3 or 4 wide trip at a minimal we're valid enough reasons to take a shot against. Also, a new and longer distance and the proximity to the crowd where he may be more exposed to becoming distracted were a possiblity.

He just happened to be the best horse in the race regarless of most of those factors that actually happened anyway. But for those who tossed him for stated reasons, I get it and certainly wouldn't say you were out of bounds on your idea.

It's like baseball. If you get a hit 3 out of 10 times, you're pretty good.

Mister Sanderson. You are stating all of these polytrack winners, but you are in denial that every top polytracker ran a DUD on Saturday in the DERBY. You think it is by chance than not one was in the top 5 or that the best separate from the rest on the the dirt.

P.S. I thought you hated this website

[Mister Sanderson]

I get what you're doing, but its not for me. This website is great, but there were some things I didn't like about individuals on here. Why do I need to explain myself to you or anyone else? I decided some of the things I could learn and some of the people I talk to on here are a reason to ignore some of the people I don't like.

PS.. you are relating one race to a generality about a statement that was made about synthetic racers in general.. Its not apples to apples.. Yes no one in the Derby top 5 was a synthetic based horse... so what? it really is beside the point

[djunior]

I get what you're doing, but its not for me. This website is great, but there were some things I didn't like about individuals on here. Why do I need to explain myself to you or anyone else? I decided some of the things I could learn and some of the people I talk to on here are a reason to ignore some of the people I don't like.

I wanted to know if you went to another blog-type horse site and the knowledge wasn't as in depth as this. I am not sure what I was doing, I was responding to your post about polytrack and got know answer. IT IS A SHAME WE MAY NOT SEE CURLIN run in the "CLASSIC" because of some rubber, made of old tires surface!

[Mister Sanderson]

yes that would be unfortunate. Its seems obvious now the Bluegrass wasn't an abhoration after all. Pyro, never moved or fired in the Derby either.

I also realize that due to a heavy influence on here of certain individuals, members and readers may be inclined to be persuaded to dislike synthetic. I'm not saying that is right or wrong, I just doubt that many on here would hear anything other than what they've already been told to process as fact.

My guess would be that Curlin would run fine on synthetic, grass, or anything else because he is top notch class.

[scottsdad]

I wanted to know if you went to another blog-type horse site and the knowledge wasn't as in depth as this. I am not sure what I was doing, I was responding to your post about polytrack and got know answer. IT IS A SHAME WE MAY NOT SEE CURLIN run in the "CLASSIC" because of some rubber, made of old tires surface!

JUNIOR--MR.SANDERSON IS OK AS LONG AS HE DOESNT HAVE TO DEAL WITH DELTASPORTS OR MYSELF.I GUESS HE HAS NOW ADDED YOU TO HIS LIST. HE NEVER LEFT, HE LURKED EVERYDAY AND DECIDED TO COME BACK. BY THE END OF THE NIGHT HE WILL TELL YOU HOW MUCH HE DOESNT LIKE YOU.NEXT THING YOU KNOW HE WILL START A PETITION ASKING FOR DONATIONS TO BUY PORTER/JONES A NEW FILLY.

[scottsdad]

I Hate Polytack And I Hope My Heavy Influence Gets Everyone To Hate Polytak.racing On Play Dough Is Not Real Horse Racing.

[Mister Sanderson]

this is what I'm talking about. It's just unnecessary to say things like that. Yes, I do find you and delta to be bullies and the such. And no, I wasn't "lurking".. I played in contests until the cheater was spotted. I took a step back and realized the contributions from Steve, and the efforts from Jerfi Panzyjo Stigg etc were plenty of reason to participate and leave the other stuff alone. I don't think I ever said I hate the site, but there were things that were just inappropriate, like the stuff above.

[djunior]

yes that would be unfortunate. Its seems obvious now the Bluegrass wasn't an abhoration after all. Pyro, never moved or fired in it either.

I also realize that due to a heavy influence on here of certain individuals, members and readers may be inclined to be persuaded to dislike synthetic. I'm not saying that is right or wrong, I just doubt that many on here would hear anything other than what they've already been told to process as fact.

My guess would be that Curlin would run fine on synthetic, grass, or anything else because he is top notch class.

I got into the horse racing game because my grandfather loved it. Than when I started to date my wife my future father-in-law loved horse racing and that was the tie him and I have. I guess you are saying that I have no opinion and you think I am just restating what other posts on this site and I am a robot. What about the fun of looking what horses like the slop, or speed horses vs. closers. IF you watchd CD this weekend you realized that you need to be close to the front to win and closers were not closing and it made handicapping fun. I for one thought VISIONAIRE would run big and posted it on this site a few times. But after watching the races unfold I realized that if you weren't close to the front you were not going to win. Polytrack does not give you that!!!

[Mister Sanderson]

I got into the horse racing game because my grandfather loved it. Than when I started to date my wife my future father-in-law loved horse racing and that was the tie him and I have. I guess you are saying that I have no opinion and you think I am just restating what other posts on this site and I am a robot. What about the fun of looking what horses like the slop, or speed horses vs. closers. IF you watchd CD this weekend you realized that you need to be close to the front to win and closers were not closing and it made handicapping fun. I for one thought VISIONAIRE would run big and posted it on this site a few times. But after watching the races unfold I realized that if you weren't close to the front you were not going to win. Polytrack does not give you that!!!
no, i completely understand what you're saying. I think handicapping a synthetic race is more of a guessing game. that is another reason i thought colonel john ran pretty good. he got a terrible start shuffled way back early, and actually made a very bold wide move to reach close contention until the big guy ran away. no, i'm sure you have your opinion and it is genuine.

[scottsdad]

For The Most Part--no Horse Will Ever Come From Poly And Beat A Great Horse On The Dirt. Jones And Porter Had As Much To Do With Eight Belles Unfortunate Accident As Anybody.the Should Have Run Her In The Oaks And Instead They Got Greedy.to Top It Off They Had A Second Rate Jockey On The Filly.how Do We Know That Saez Didnt Play A Role In What Happened? We Have No Idea That She Wasnt Laboring Or Showed Signs Of Distress. Or Even That He Wasnt Pushing Her Too Hard.we Will Never Know.

[djunior]

this is what I'm talking about. It's just unnecessary to say things like that. Yes, I do find you and delta to be bullies and the such. And no, I wasn't "lurking".. I played in contests until the cheater was spotted. I took a step back and realized the contributions from Steve, and the efforts from Jerfi Panzyjo Stigg etc were plenty of reason to participate and leave the other stuff alone. I don't think I ever said I hate the site, but there were things that were just inappropriate, like the stuff above.

THIS SITE IS ALOT OF FUN. I HAVE HAD TO EAT MY HUMBLE PIE ALOT. My dad told me, if you can't take the heat than get out of the batters box. I got hit alot because I keep coming back for more. I personally look forward to the posts by scottsdad and delta, they bring insight to the game that I don't have.

[scottsdad]

Mister Sanderson---you Seem To Portray Yourself As A Real Man Who Stands Up To The Bullies Around Here.so Let The Truth Be Told--i Sent A Pm To You And Your Little Mister Musketeers After The Last Incident.i Told All Of You Lets Just Drop It And Move On.we Can Agree To Disagree.not One Of You Little Weasels Responded.you All Waited For The Dust To Settle,just Like The Fumes On The Polytrack And Now You Have Returned.it Wont Take Long--you Will Take Your Ball And Go Home Just Like You Did Last Time.junior Didnt Do Anything To You To Warrant Another One Of Your Patented Novels. Learn How To Play With The Big Boys And Take It On The Chiin.

[Mister Sanderson]

For The Most Part--no Horse Will Ever Come From Poly And Beat A Great Horse On The Dirt. Jones And Porter Had As Much To Do With Eight Belles Unfortunate Accident As Anybody.the Should Have Run Her In The Oaks And Instead They Got Greedy.to Top It Off They Had A Second Rate Jockey On The Filly.how Do We Know That Saez Didnt Play A Role In What Happened? We Have No Idea That She Wasnt Laboring Or Showed Signs Of Distress. Or Even That He Wasnt Pushing Her Too Hard.we Will Never Know.
this is true. conversely, how will you know that he DID? He got 1st in the Oaks with a perfect trip, and 2nd in the Derby with a pretty darn good trip too. Also, how do you know he is a 2nd rate jockey? He is young, but Jones seems like a pretty knowledgable horseman, and I trust who he puts on the horse can do the job. I'm sorry but I know the folks who owned some Jones horses such as Wildcat Bettie Bee etc and I never heard anything negative other than he wants total control with the horse. I just don't see why blame has to be placed on anyone or anything.

Some on here choose to believe Jones may have put an injured horse in the race or didn't want to run, I choose not to. Maybe I'm naive, but I would need more than heresay to believe otherwise. Just imo.

NOTE: I know with the health problems of Rags after the Belmont and the tragic demise of Eight Belles some might think this kind of a thing is more likely to happen, but I dont. Fillies run against the boys in the country on a daily basis (still a small %) and overseas as well. I chose to believe that both ran the races of their lives, may have overextended themselves, and gone to hard. If she were my horse, she would've been in the Oaks. But I want blame her DEATH on that. I just can't take it that far.

[Mister Sanderson]

Mister Sanderson---you Seem To Portray Yourself As A Real Man Who Stands Up To The Bullies Around Here.so Let The Truth Be Told--i Sent A Pm To You And Your Little Mister Musketeers After The Last Incident.i Told All Of You Lets Just Drop It And Move On.we Can Agree To Disagree.not One Of You Little Weasels Responded.you All Waited For The Dust To Settle,just Like The Fumes On The Polytrack And Now You Have Returned.it Wont Take Long--you Will Take Your Ball And Go Home Just Like You Did Last Time.junior Didnt Do Anything To You To Warrant Another One Of Your Patented Novels. Learn How To Play With The Big Boys And Take It On The Chiin.
this kind of stuff is just not appropriate. "the big boys"? this isnt a high school locker room.

the reason i didnt respond is i knew that it wasn't genuine, and that youre not a nice person.

[djunior]

this kind of stuff is just not appropriate. "the big boys"? this isnt a high school locker room.

the reason i didnt respond is i knew that it wasn't genuine, and that youre not a nice person.

Not going to get in between this debate, but it is very funny to read. But for someone to run contests daily and than him and his other wisemen to pony up $100 for a contest, that is pretty fair!

[Mister Sanderson]

I don't knock the deeds, just some of the actions. the contests are fun, and I'm sure we all appreciate playing in them.

[djunior]

I don't knock the deeds, just some of the actions. the contests are fun, and I'm sure we all appreciate playing in them.

two posts ago you called him not a nice person, that is UNFAIR!

[Mister Sanderson]

two posts ago you called him not a nice person, that is UNFAIR!
ok dave, i give. i'm a tird!!!hr,

[scottsdad]

this kind of stuff is just not appropriate. "the big boys"? this isnt a high school locker room.

the reason i didnt respond is i knew that it wasn't genuine, and that youre not a nice person.

EVERYBODY WHO THINKS I AM A NICE GUY---PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
LMAOrofl

[scottsdad]

Mister Sanderson--does This Mean You Arent Sitting At My Table At The Trackwinners Dinner?

[gestalt]

I was the one who responded about the misuse of this site, are you calling me a "Weasel?" I challenge you to A DUEL ON THE WHITE hOUSE LAWN AT 6:00 am.

[scottsdad]

I was the one who responded about the misuse of this site, are you calling me a "Weasel?" I challenge you to A DUEL ON THE WHITE hOUSE LAWN AT 6:00 am.

GESTALT--I WAS NOT REFERRING TO YOU AT ALL.IT WAS BETWEEN ME AND MR. SANDERSON. AS FAR AS YOU THINKING I MISUSE THIS SITE---EITHER TAKE IT UP WITH STEVE OR JERFI OR BOTH OF THEM, OR TELL ME WHY YOU THINK SUCH A THING.
I TAKE MORE TIME HELPING PEOPLE BE ACTIVE ON THIS SITE THEN JUST ABOUT ANYBODY.I POKE MORE FUN AT MYSELF THEN ANYONE AROUND HERE.I HAVE NO HIDDEN AGENDA.SURE I CROSS THE LINE EVERY NOW AND THEN.WHEN YOU POST 5,000 TIMES YOU ARE BOUND TO ANNOY A FEW PEOPLE.LET ANYBODY WHO EVER SENT ME A PM OR HAS SPOKEN TO ME ON THE PHONE TELL ME I WAS RUDE OR UNFAIR TO THEM AND I WILL BE THE FIRST PERSON TO SAY ADIOS TO THIS SITE.UNLIKE OTHER PEOPLE AROUND HERE,I DONT PRETEND TO LEAVE AND WANT SYMPATHY AND COMPLIMENTS TO COME BACK.WHEN YOU SPEND HOURS AND HOURS CONTRIBUTING TO THIS SITE IN A POSITIVE WAY--COME TALK TO ME.
OTHERWISE BE QUIET--ITS NOT YOUR ARGUMENT.

[vicmac]

GESTALT--I WAS NOT REFERRING TO YOU AT ALL.IT WAS BETWEEN ME AND MR. SANDERSON. AS FAR AS YOU THINKING I MISUSE THIS SITE---EITHER TAKE IT UP WITH STEVE OR JERFI OR BOTH OF THEM, OR TELL ME WHY YOU THINK SUCH A THING.
I TAKE MORE TIME HELPING PEOPLE BE ACTIVE ON THIS SITE THEN JUST ABOUT ANYBODY.I POKE MORE FUN AT MYSELF THEN ANYONE AROUND HERE.I HAVE NO HIDDEN AGENDA.SURE I CROSS THE LINE EVERY NOW AND THEN.WHEN YOU POST 5,000 TIMES YOU ARE BOUND TO ANNOY A FEW PEOPLE.LET ANYBODY WHO EVER SENT ME A PM OR HAS SPOKEN TO ME ON THE PHONE TELL ME I WAS RUDE OR UNFAIR TO THEM AND I WILL BE THE FIRST PERSON TO SAY ADIOS TO THIS SITE.UNLIKE OTHER PEOPLE AROUND HERE,I DONT PRETEND TO LEAVE AND WANT SYMPATHY AND COMPLIMENTS TO COME BACK.WHEN YOU SPEND HOURS AND HOURS CONTRIBUTING TO THIS SITE IN A POSITIVE WAY--COME TALK TO ME.
OTHERWISE BE QUIET--ITS NOT YOUR ARGUMENT.
hey dad dans knew name is colonel dan....hahahahahaha

[danstep43]

thanks VIC...you are all heart.......